Are you claiming that violence doesn’t serve a purpose?
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SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months agoWhat a tool. What other purpose do guns have other than violence? All the other things you mentioned are used for other things. Guns are for killing, and nothing else.
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
Yes, but gun regulation has historically been proven more effective than gun against gun protection. For example, Australia’s NFA in 1996.
scarabic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Violence stopping violence. You have an interesting way of getting the world completely wrong.
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Good luck with your non-violent protests in WW2 Nazi Germany then I guess.
scarabic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I actually have a history degree, internet guy. It does not teach us that Prometheus gave us violence so we could raise ourselves out of the muck.
stevecole90099@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Completely ignoring that a lot of guns are used for hunting and even more are used for sport (hey, just like a baseball bat). Guns are a deterrent and an equalizer. They increase a person ability to defend themselves and others from threats stronger or deadlier than they would otherwise be able to face or defend against.
I don’t know who you are, but let’s pretend you are a 4’10" 100lbs girl that lives in a small 6th floor apartment. What do you do to defend yourself from a 7’ tall 280lbs man that just kicked in the door to your apartment? Do you grab a gun and try to put as many rounds as possible in his chest or do you just sit in the apartment and let him have his way with you until the police show up and then continue to stand outside because they think it might be too dangerous for them to actually help you? I mean, what if the man has an illegal gun? Imagine! A criminal with the audacity to have an item that you, a law-abiding citizen, are not allowed to have because they, as you put it, are only used for violence, something criminals are known to not take part in. 🙄
Guns are the best defense against someone or something that is trying to do you harm. That’s the reason it’s so high up on the Bill of Rights. Because life, liberty, and justice are only possible if you have the ability to stop someone from taking them from you. It’s like our forefathers knew what life was like to come from a place where you were nothing more than a peasant and everything you had and were could be just taken away if the person with the shiny crown wished it or some back alley ripper would stab you dead for your pocket lint alone.
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
Yeah, because countries outside US don’t exist. And they everyone there is dying of illegal gun violence. No wait, US has one of the highest rate of death from gun violence. It’s also one of the most unsafe countries in the western world. Makes you think…
fosforus@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
That’s not really true if you look at per capita figures. It’s not great, though, but not as bad as the top #10.
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
Sure, but being better should always be the goal. Especially for the richest and most powerful nation on earth.
stevecole90099@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You think cavemen invented clubs and bats way back in the day to play baseball before they decided to use them to murder things?
Violence was pretty much the only thing contributing to human advancement until about the 14th century. Funny enough, the first gun was made around the 11th century.
Leave the US if it’s such a hellhole. Go live in those other countries where you don’t have to worry about how unsafe the US is if they are so great. And don’t give some bullshit excuse like it’s expensive, refugees from hellholes do it everyday and it’s a great option for them to escape their shitty countries from what i hear. I hear Russian is really nice this time of year, maybe Ukraine? Last I heard, they were looking for more citizens. Maybe somewhere a little warmer like UAE? They seem to be doing pretty well for themselves, at least until that oil money runs out from the world switching to EVs and Green power.
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I’ll take my chances with gun violence. At least I can see a person with a gun coming for me. Can’t say the same for a Malaria ridden bug or some refugee coughing TB all over the place.
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According to this, guns would only be making the US a safer place since 2/3 of all US gun “violence” is the gun owner using it on themselves.
That would put the actual total gun violence deaths in the US at 13704, just a couple hundred higher than the 13384 drunk driving fatalities that happen in the US in 2021. So when are you going after Alcohol and Weed to be banned? Or do you feel drunk driving is just a secondary use for those so it doesn’t count when worrying about how people are killing one another?
How’s the ban on cigarettes going since you really care about people doing unsafe things and dying from it? Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. More than TWELVE times, the number of people that die from guns, including the suicides. Almost 4000 more people die a year from just living in a country with smokers than those who die due to gunshots.
Really let that last sentence soak in! 41000 people died not because they chose to smoke but because other people then themselves decided to smoke near them. Only around 38000 people died from guns in 2019, and out of those around 23000 of them killed themselves, I can only assume so they wouldn’t have to put up with people like you that are really going to try and skip around all this other information just to try and take away people’s right to defend themselves using the best tool for the job.
Fuck off you, God damn lunatic!!!
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
What a tool. Smoking should be banned, yes. I do agree with that. And I’m leaving US soon enough, don’t worry lol. But if your response to criticism is “hurr durr leave US”, there’s no point in arguing with a meathead like you. Also, you cited diseases. Like bitch, everyone IS trying to abolish them. It’s just hard. What a dumb motherfucker you are.
squaresinger@feddit.de 9 months ago
Please read your own statistics. The first graph you showed forgot to add gun suicides to the gun violence number. And removing ~2% of deaths just by changing some simple laws is huge. It would be better than completely curing AIDS.
Regarding your second screenshot: The guy before was talking about how the USA is the most dangerous western country. So you post a screenshot which puts the USA behind some non-western country.
If you look at the fitting article on Wikipedia
You see that the USA is currently on place 9, behind only South/Middle American and Carribian countries.
The next kinda western country is Serbia on place 22.