Little problems here and there for me personally, but the deal breaker for me is that over/under monitor configuration is impossible because Microsoft insists that the taskbar must be locked in the same place on all monitors and it cannot be placed at the top of the display. If they want to force lockdown to iOS levels of “customization” because I apparently cannot be trusted to organize my own desktop, they can fuck right off.
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MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I don’t understand the gate towards windows 11. Even if it is mostly just a reskinned 10, I still find it much better to work with. My work pc is 11 and my gaming pc is 10 (Im getting real sick of my gaming pc’s interface now)
Narauko@lemmy.world 1 year ago
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Does StartAllBack fix that at all?
Narauko@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t believe it did at the time, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it has been by now. I did keep 11 on one of my laptops because it honestly isn’t horrible on a single display.
Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 year ago
Lemmy only uses stuff that’s 90% as good as the mainstream option and takes previous knowledge to work around it’s many issues, but they’ll tell you it’s flawless because they forgot all of the configuring they did previously.
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Uh, no I had an absolutely normie non-tech brother who came to me asking me to install him Linux. It was Debian. He wanted something rock stable. He never looked back since.
Linux is not just a technomaniac’s dream or a product of our privacy/configurability/something-else-maximalism. While many of us come there looking for that, we end up with much more - a truly snappy system, without bloat, without all distractions, automatic updates, and corporate shit pushed on.
As that same brother said to me: “It’s such peace and quiet. You turn on your PC - and you’re all set to do whatever you have to do”
Also, Linux with reasonable modern DEs doesn’t ever require a normie to go terminal. Like, at all. It’s just that Lemmy users are more techy, and they’d need such advanced features in Windows too.
If you ask me, one of the primary reasons normies don’t regularly use Linux is because they don’t know what Linux even is. For them Windows is computer. Then there are some who know of Linux, but think “it’s more of a server thing”. Then there are some who played around with it in VM, but saw it more as a toy. And then there are brave souls who actually did a switch.
For all I know, most of the latter never looked back.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
So your brother could not install it themselves because they were unable to.
Which wouldn’t have been the case with Windows on any new computer.
Thanks for proving their point.
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well, it’s not a Linux problem, it’s adoption problem.
Linux is easier to install than Windows, it takes 5 minutes of your time without any special knowledge to install any distro through Calamares, which is now a standard for most of them.
Normies are just afraid of the procedure and think they can “break their computer” with this. They can’t.
Solution? Preinstall Linux! A few laptops actually are now shipped with Linux preinstalled, and that’s a good, even if humble, beginning.
Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 year ago
What does he use his computer for?
Every time I do a deep dive and look into switching to linux, I look to the comments on post to see how the other normies are doing and I always see past the people that clearly either 1- Know what they’re doing and exactly how to fix things and 2- the people that do very basic stuff with their install and look for the one that have specific hardware or use cases. They are the ones that talk about having an issue with this or that and having to search forums to find a solution or distro hop for one reason or another.
I don’t have the patience to fix the issues and learn the quirks that I know I’ll run into. Linux just isn’t quite there for a lot of people and I’m one of them.
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Mostly browsing, document processing, and gaming.
I recognize the arguments you have, but, being more on a power user side, I rarely have to fix anything either. But maybe that’s me.
sanguinepar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In short, no Quick Launch toolbar, no Win 11 for me. Shame as I’d like to try it but the QL is a deal-breaker.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
What do you mean there’s no stick launch toolbar? You can pin stuff to the taskbar. Doesn’t that act the same way?
sanguinepar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not the way I want it, no. It’s hard to describe, but believe me, I’ve tried with taskbar pinning, and it doesn’t work for me at all.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Look into StartAllBack, it includes a lot of different features from all versions of windows when it comes to the taskbar and start menu. There might be something there that could make it act more like his you want it.
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Personally, I’ve found Win11 to be snappier and more responsive than Win10. It has taken a couple things to get it working for me though (StartAllBack, Fancy Zones, Display Fusion, etc.)
Blahblahinb4linux, I use Mint and Ubuntu and KDE Plasma, too. Sometimes MacOS, but fuck that noise.
That said, on one of my systems the Win11 was sluggish and slow for no apparent reason. I ended up factory resetting it (to Win11 instead of Win10) and it was magically some 5x better. Not honestly sure what went wrong during the upgrade process.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
StartAllBack and PowerZones, heck pretty much everything in PowerToys is great. PowerToys should just be standard windows features.
I’ve also dabbled with Linux from time to time (i really like Linux Mint) but for my work we use a lot of Microsoft tools so it makes sense to stay with Windows, I can’t get VS Code to work the way I want it to coming from Visual Studio, I’ve tried so many times but running and debugging just befuddles me and I dont have the time to spend looking at all of the configurations due to to tight deadlines.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There are certainly some good things about Win11 the new UI (in the few areas where it’s actually bloody used) looks good, albeit a blatant ripoff of what you see in a couple of Linux DEs (Gnome and KDE).
The new window tiling is great.
The start menu opening in the middle is arguably better for keyboard users as you press the Windows key and your programs open in the centre, rather than a small box in the corner, that you have to move your eyes/mouse to.
(It’s worse if you open the menu with a mouse though)
The problem is that they also continued with a lot of bad stuff. Even more ads. Even more data collection. Forcing their programs on you. Dark patterns. Stupid system requirements. Even more bloat.
Microsoft did this exact same thing with 10. They entice you with a few really good features, then add a load of bad shit alongside it.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
In the uk, I get no ads on mine, but i also use StartAllBack or StartIsBack to get the feel of the windows 11 start menu with the win 11 theming and a really skinny taskbar, so it could be that hiding it all.
Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 year ago
Nah, I’m in the US and I deleted the crap on day one and haven’t seen any ads or had anything forced on me after updates.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Yeah, it is just a setting “do not show suggestions” and it stops showing any ad.