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I think the better question is “when did Star Trek start preferring awkward, hamfisted, and cynically inauthentic writing that makes you feel like you’re watching community theater?”

The answer is a toss-up between partway through Voyager and Enterprise, but ENT was definitely the point at which Star Trek was no longer being used to speculate about the possibilities of exploration and discovery in an optimistic future, and instead became an embarrassing soapbox on the part of writers and producers who haven’t had an idea challenged since they were in preschool. The entire 9/11 + War on Terror allegory is very possibly the most cringeworthy Star Trek content ever televised. That’s really saying something considering we also have Discovery, an exercise in why you can’t hire a bunch of hacks who all want to be Joss Whedon, nor give them free rein to produce a version of Star Trek in which every character is a creepy asshole who never shuts up and uses the kind of corny faux slang that only exists in TV commercials.

As with many things, I blame Rick Berman.

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Metostopholes@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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Kirk@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
S-tier satire of the conservative “Trekkie” (please Gene, I hope you’re being satirical). I always think of Douglass Adam’s “rules” on growing old:

Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.

Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.

Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

Anytime someone says Star Trek’s progressivism was never “hamfisted” I usual just point them to the after school special that is Let that be your Last Battlefield:

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- BlueOysterCultist@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I’m mainly responding to your quote about new things being against the established order and my view of NuTrek is extremely biased since I mainly get my information from RedLetterMedia but do you think NuTrek ackchyually can sit on its own laurels?
  
  I did watch Picard’s 3 seasons and I think it highlighted pretty well the problems with NuTrek:
  
  retconning established lore to the extreme (slavery vis a vis androids is cool with the federation, earth has super drug problems)
  
  gratuitous violence (I was disgusted watching the equivalent of SAW with the Borg torture porn)
  
  action action action (can’t have any philosophy, gotta have fast paced machinegun phaser shootouts)
  
  I could probably come up with more issues, but it’s been a bit and I’m never rewatching Picard. NuTrek is a far cry from the old thinking man’s trek and is really watered down.
  
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RamenJunkie@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Discovery isn’t a bad show, but Discovery is TERRIBLE Star Trek. Not because its “woke” but because it acrively goes out of its way to eschew most of the tropes that make Trek what it is, the most egregious being the Spore Drive and instant travel. Academy was a much better Trek show than Discovery, to compare the two modern “futuristic” shows.

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