Comment on How Chinese firm linked to repression of Uyghurs aids Israeli surveillance in West Bank
Madison420@lemmy.world 1 year agoYou mean aside from those times they said specifically they were attacking civilians to “get to” Hamas access that the civilians are “human shields”.
Just an fyi I think in a few years your georing to feel really fuckin bad about your rhetoric.
BlueBockser@programming.dev 1 year ago
Madison420@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No one is saying not to blame Hamas, they have responsibilities too, that doesn’t however give Israel an ok to bomb civilian targets and starve out a civilian population, it’s been a literal war crime since at least the 1400s.
Sure, they can defend themselves. Striking civilian targets, in civilian, areas with civilian populations is still a goddamn war crime. You didn’t see England intentionally bombing civilian targets even when v2s were hitting every single goddamn day. The international community is literally telling them to stop striking civilian targets because they are in fact admitting to doing just that!
BlueBockser@programming.dev 1 year ago
GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So you’re saying the extreme loss of civilian life is “not excessive”? Over 10,000 dead??
Also, what are “military targets” to you? Hospitals, churches, refugee camps, and homes are all fair game? Using white phosphorus bombs and hellfire missiles?
“AGM-114R9X is a non-explosive yet lethal missile due to its rotating blades that decapitate anyone within 3ft. The Minimum/Maximum fire distance is 1.5 km/8km.” That was launched at a hospital. This is despite Israeli insisting that Hamas is hiding in tunnels underneath densely populated areas and using civilians as “human shields” How is that going to kill members of Hamas?
No one except people trying to commit genocide go to these lengths to ensure civilian casualties. There are so many other options if they just wanted to kill Hamas fighters. But this is excessive, indefensible, and vile.
npr.org/…/the-latest-on-israels-bombing-of-the-la…
euromedmonitor.org/…/Israel-hits-Gaza-Strip-with-…
Madison420@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s 100% forbidden, there are proportionality clauses. If I slap you you can’t shoot me in the face, it’s a pretty simple concept. Your excuse doesn’t make sense either, dead isrealis less than 2000, dead Palestinians 14000, you don’t think that excessive?
Blanket bombing of military targets correct, both of your examples contained military targets and military industries both valid targets at the time. Hamburg, oil yard, ship yards, sub pens, oil refineries. Bochum oil refineries, Krupp and a airfield.
Notably you could take the civilian casualties from both of those bombings and I’ll venture a guess they still won’t top the current civilian death count in Palestine.
Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You mean right to defend itself under Article 51 of the UN charter, right?
That doesn’t apply if you’re an occupying force. And for anyone saying “Israel doesn’t occupy Gaza, there are no Israeli officials there” if you control movement, water, gas, power, food supplies, where civilians can and can’t travel to, and the territory is not allowed to exist independently, all of that “right to defend yourself” is null and void.
BlueBockser@programming.dev 1 year ago
Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So because Egypt isn’t doing enough, Israel isn’t to blame? Right. Solid argument.
What Egypt does or doesn’t do does not in any way negate the fact that Israel is completely out of line.
What an argument “but look at them, they are also bad, which means the even badder guys must not be as bad”.