Comment on How Chinese firm linked to repression of Uyghurs aids Israeli surveillance in West Bank

Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• BlueBockser@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So, let’s look at the definition of genocide and see where Israel lands here.

    Definition Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

    Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    Killing members of the group;

    • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    Source: the UN

    So; let’s have a quick look at these points:

    1. Over 11,000 deaths, majority of civilians. And I’m just talking about deaths since Oct 7, I did not include any numbers from before that. Check.
    2. Illegal occupation and cutting off food, water, electricity and free movement. Check.
    3. Unknown to me.
    4. Unknown to me.

    The head of the UN, Craig Mokhiber, just retired and called it unequivocally a genocide, here’s a source for that, but if you don’t like this source, you can just Google this and find plenty of other sources.

    So, please tell me. How does Israel not fit as a genocidal regime?

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    • BlueBockser@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you read the charter, you can see that if any of these things apply, it can be labelled a genocide. And you pick one and say “you need to provide proof”, glossing over the glaring fact that even without, it already counts as a genocide.

        But sure, if you insist;

        • CBC

        • NPR

        • USA Today

        • People’s World

        • UN

        • Foreign Policy

        • ABC News

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      • GeneralVincent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        "The minister, who also has some powers over the Israeli unit that controls border crossings and permits for Palestinians, has a long history of denying the existence of a Palestinian nation and has previously made controversial statements about them as well as on other issues like LGBTQ rights.

        Earlier this month, he made incendiary comments saying that the in the West Bank “needs to be erased”’

        www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/middleeast/…/index.html

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  • masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But they are not deliberately killing civilians in Gaza.

    Right, right… totally no genocidal behavior to see here.

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    • BlueBockser@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It is well established that Hamas is using civilian areas and infrastructure

        Established by whom?

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      • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ukraine isn’t an open air concentration camp governed in large part by Israeli blockade and airstrike and has been for thirty fuckin years dudes. Not quite the same situation is it?

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  • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You mean aside from those times they said specifically they were attacking civilians to “get to” Hamas access that the civilians are “human shields”.

    Just an fyi I think in a few years your georing to feel really fuckin bad about your rhetoric.

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    • BlueBockser@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No one is saying not to blame Hamas, they have responsibilities too, that doesn’t however give Israel an ok to bomb civilian targets and starve out a civilian population, it’s been a literal war crime since at least the 1400s.

        Sure, they can defend themselves. Striking civilian targets, in civilian, areas with civilian populations is still a goddamn war crime. You didn’t see England intentionally bombing civilian targets even when v2s were hitting every single goddamn day. The international community is literally telling them to stop striking civilian targets because they are in fact admitting to doing just that!

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      • Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You mean right to defend itself under Article 51 of the UN charter, right?

        That doesn’t apply if you’re an occupying force. And for anyone saying “Israel doesn’t occupy Gaza, there are no Israeli officials there” if you control movement, water, gas, power, food supplies, where civilians can and can’t travel to, and the territory is not allowed to exist independently, all of that “right to defend yourself” is null and void.

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