Comment on Apple calls Android a 'massive tracking device'

netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  PinePhone

  Multiple OS choices, hardware kill switches for connectivity/camera/microphone, expansion pins, etc. Modest specs but for enough functionality to be a daily driver, zero ads or spyware, and infinite customizability, $400 is a steal.

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  • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Linux phones are not at a point where you can actually daily drive them. They even lack support for basic apps like Signal. The camera and battery on the PinePhone aren’t great either. These are concept phones, but nothing that anyone can actually use. Also, Linux distributions are much less secure than GrapheneOS or even AOSP. And good luck getting normies to use a Linux phone, it’s already hard with desktops, but impossible with phones.

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    • bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah I’m aware they’re still in a really early/rough state, I definitely used the term pretty loosely. From what I understand they’re capable of reliably texting, calling, light web browsing and maybe playing some audio. If you aren’t someone who frequently/extensively uses your phone, and has decent knowledge of Linux, this may be enough for you. Def not the average user though.

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  • recapitated@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mine was unusable IMO but maybe I didn’t try hard enough.

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• deranger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  iPhones aren’t any better

  Anyone got a source for this claim? I see it repeated often in this thread with no supporting evidence.

  I’m not disputing it, I’d just like to know more.

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  • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    www.tomsguide.com/…/android-ios-data-collection

    The full research paper: www.scss.tcd.ie/doug.leith/apple_google.pdf

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• elouboub@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just have to pay google 800$ to leave the google ecosystem. Seems legit.

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  • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My Pixel 6a was 300 bucks

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• photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And if you don’t buy Google’s Pixel you’re just fucked?

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  • SandbagTiara2816@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I believe LineageOS has a wider selection of devices

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    • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But far worse security, privacy and app compatibility.

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      • Contend6248@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        LMFAO, i’m interested in that explanation.

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      • ricdeh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        LineageOS without GApps is literally as secure as GrapheneOS

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      • UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What a load of crap. What’s ur source for this information?

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  • thorbot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, Google does the same shit. You just decide which big company you give your data to. Or use a Nokia on 2G

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    • synapse1278@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you install GrapheneOS, then Google doesn’t get any data from you, but they still get the money you spent on the phone. GrapheneOS only supports Google Pixels, for multiple reasons they explain in their FAQ.

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    • Contend6248@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Jokes on you, we disable 2G for the sake of 5G frequencies.

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    • GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But on Google Pixels you can install GrapheneOS, unlike any other Android device

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• Gekoloniseerd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’d like to do this but it looks a bit complicated. Maybe there’s a video guide I can follow so that I don’t fuck it up.

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  • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s actually super easy. This guy makes great videos about GrapheneOS. This is a video install guide, it’s really not that hard. You really don’t have to be worried, there’s nothing that you can really fuck up. If something doesn’t work, you just try again.

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    • HERRAX@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh man, this looks so much easier than when I installed Lineage on the Poco F1! Might go for it now that I’ve got a pixel 7

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I can only recommend it. I used a Samsung phone a few years ago and putting a custom ROM on it took me a whole weekend, I had to spend many hours researching and I often encountered issues. With GrapheneOS, it was super easy. 15 minutes after taking the phone out of the box I had Graphene running on it. That was my first time installing GrapheneOS btw.

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    • ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Does it work with most common applications?

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      • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, the GrapheneOS team put a lot of time and effort into creating Sandboxed Google Play services. It allows you to use Google services which are required for many apps without giving up your privacy. You get to choose which permissions you grant to Google Play services, just like with any other app. Basically any app that works on Android also works on GrapheneOS, except for a few things like Google Pay or Android Auto, because Google actually prevents them from working on Graphene.

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      • LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You mean apps? Then yes. You can just install Aurora.

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• UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No? There are many other ways to ensure privacy on Android.

  1. Best option: Use a Custom ROM (which Graphene OS is an example of). However, going via this route is almost always a headache, as all devices don’t have specific, stable builds, etc. Also, going this route poses a very real risk of bricking your device.

  2. Easy and safe option (I would recommend this): Buy a device with stock android instead of the crappy MIUI and other variants. Disable all google services and apps and install all your applications from Fdroid. Install a firewall like TC from Fdroid for additional protection.

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  • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    all devices don’t have specific, stable builds, etc

    GrapheneOS is actually very stable and has specific builds for all the devices they support. It only supports Google Pixels, because these are the reference devices that AOSP is built for. They also have great hardware security features like the Titan M series of secure elements.

    Also, going this route poses a very real risk of bricking your device.

    Not with GrapheneOS. Their easy-to-use web installer makes is basically impossible to break your device during the installation process. It’s really easy and maybe takes 15 minutes.

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