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Comment on Joe Biden Wants US Government Algorithms Tested for Potential Harm Against Citizens

“If the benefits do not meaningfully outweigh the risks, agencies should not use the AI,” the memo says. But the draft memo carves out an exemption for models that deal with national security and allows agencies to effectively issue themselves waivers if ending use of an AI model “would create an unacceptable impediment to critical agency operations.”

Thus tells me that nothing is going to change if people can just say their algoriths would make them too inefficient. Great sentiment but this loophole will make it useless.

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paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This seems to me like an exception that would realistically only apply to the CIA, NSA, and sometimes the FBI. I doubt the Department of Housing and Urban Development will get a pass. Overall seems like a good change in a good direction.

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- mememuseum@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The CIA and NSA are exactly who we don’t want using it though.
  
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  - kautau@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Agreed but it’s at least a step forward, setting a precedent for AI in government use. I would love a perfect world where all bills passed are “all or nothing” legislation but realistically this is a good start, and then citizens should demand tighter oversight on national security agencies as the next issue to tackle
    
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    pandacoder@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    “next issue to tackle”
    
    It’s been the next issue to tackle since at least October 26th, 2001. They have no accountability. Adding these carve outs is just making it harder to get accountability.
    
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  - Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They’re exactly who will carry on using it, even if there weren’t any exemptions.
    
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  - Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well that and customs/border patrol
    
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  - postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Like either of those agencies will let us know what they are doing in the first place.
    
    At a certain level, there are no rules when they never have to tell what they are doing.
    
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  - Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    given the “success” of Israel’s hi tech border fence it seems like bureacracies think tech will work better than actually, you know, resolving/preventing geopolitical problems with diplomacy and intelligence.
    
    I worry these kind of tech solutions become a predictable crutch. Assuming there is some kind of real necessity to these spy programs (debatable) it seems like reliance on data tech can become a weakness as soon as those intending harm understand how it works
    
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  - intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    the fact that the CIA and NSA will have the AI is the most effective argument for why we should have the AI.
    
    It’s the basic idea of the second amendment all over again:
    
    It would be great if nobody had guns
    
    But the government isn’t going to stop having guns
    
    And only one side having guns is way worse than everyone having guns
    
    So everyone gets to have guns
    
    The exact same applies in this situation with AI:
    
    It would be great if nobody had AI
    
    But the government isn’t going to stop having AI
    
    And only one side having AI is way worse than everyone having AI
    
    So everyone gets to have AI
    
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  - Redrum714@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Well they already are lol. It makes their jobs much easier so I wouldn’t be surprised if they better library’s than the public services.
    
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  - ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m actually less worried about them.
    
    Local police departments on the other hand, can arrest and get you sent to jail based on flimsy facial recognition, and it doesn’t even make the local news.
    
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  - angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’d rather them not either, but don’t underestimate the harm bad management of other organizations can and has done.
    
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- postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Algorithms that gerrymander voting district boundries might be an early battleground.
  
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  - tacosplease@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The early battleground of 2010 when they started using RedMap.
    
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- BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “Realistically” baahahaba. Right.
  
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masquenox@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Great sentiment but

It’s not a “great sentiment” - it’s essentially just more of the same liberal “let’s pretend we care by doing something completely ineffective” posturing and little else.

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postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Folksy narrator: “Turns out, the U.S. government can not operate without racism.”

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intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Democrats are so fucking naive. They actually think that a system of permission slips is sufficient to protect us from the singularity.

OpenAI’s original mission, before they forgot it, was the only workable method: distribute the AI far and wide to establish a multipolar ecosystem.

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