Comment on Interesting how artists don't make enough money from their creations, so our solution is to make certain information illegal to share, rather than give them a universal basic income.

• AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s why it’s a basic income. Enough to keep you housed, clothed and fed. Your clothes might be thrifted, your apartment small, and your diet mostly instant ramen, but your basic needs will be covered. Plenty of people would still work hard to get more than the basics.

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  • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why not just guarantee those things for everyone?

    Guaranteed housing, guaranteed food, guaranteed clothing. No work required. I agree with you, I think most people will still work with all of that taken care of. Because it’s just basic.

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    • Infynis@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s what a universal basic income does. It’s way simpler and more likely to succeed than a hundred different programs for everything people need. Studies show that poor people, when given money, don’t misuse it, like some would have you believe. They use it on things they need, but otherwise couldn’t afford, like housing, healthcare, car repairs, things like that. It’s even good for the economy

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      • volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m sure there are already answers to this question l, but wouldn’t a basic universal income lead to some inflation/price rises?

        I live in the most expensive city in my country and rent is insane. It’s not about finding a cheaper apartment or a smaller one because there are none or you won’t get them. They are not taking in a family of three into less than a three room apartment and sometimes even three room apartments are considered too small for a family with one little kid. And to be clear, if you are long term unemployed, the government pays for your housing. Theoretically. You still have to find a suitable apartment and there.are.none.

        I would much rather have someone provide me guaranteed housing for free than to fear that my basic universal income will at some point not even be enough to cover my rent, even if it is just “basic”. But to me, “basic” in this sense would equal survival. It would mean housing, food, healthcare. I much rather take these things directly than make use of a small amount of money that will always be too little and end up having to choose between the cheapest cereal or the cheapest bread because I cannot afford both this month. Money and freedom to spend it as you wish is great, but I just cannot imagine how this would work. Apartments won’t magically keep their prices or appear out of thin air.

        I’m sorry if this comment is too focused on housing, it is just the most anxiety evoking example I have. (And also we are moving in two weeks so maybe I am a bit preoccupied.)

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      • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I wonder how they operationalized the proper or misuse of money in those studies.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The reason UBI is better than that is it still allows market forces to operate on those goods, improving them over time due to competition and innovation.

      Also if someone wants to use their housing money for extra clothes instead and just couch surf, they should be allowed to do that. Granting money provides freedom of choice with it.

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      • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Who says the market can’t operate there? Providing a basic version of anything doesn’t mean an organization can’t compete. They just have to compete with basic. Most people will want something better.

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• spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It will still get done.

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  • Pasta4u@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Who would work at Starbucks if you get a living wage making shitty art ?

    Is there even a quota needed in this? Can I make one piece of art a week that takes ten minutes and I get my living wage ?

    Why would I work 40 hours dealing with any customer. Why would I work in a field picking crops or at a construction site ?

    I’ll join hunter Biden making blow art and getting g paid

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    • Tenniswaffles@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’ll increase demand, which should in theory increase wages for those jobs. A universal basic income is “basic” in the sense that it’s the minimum to survive in society. There will still be plenty of people who want more and are therefore willing to do those jobs.

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      • Pasta4u@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Except that people will only pay so much for a cup of coffee. So how much do you need to pay a retail employee to come back to work over what ubinpays.

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    • spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks for announcing your single digit IQ on this topic so everyone is aware. Excellent work.

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      • Pasta4u@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Wow what an insult. Good job

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• unoriginalsin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  But what is absolutely not debatable is that we actually need people to do work for us

  Citation needed.

  to contribute to function as a society

  As if that’s a worthy goal.

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  • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    2 edgy 4 me m8

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  • unoriginalsin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Says the guy who literally advocate the enslavement of the majority of the human race. Where even if your line, my guy?

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