You clearly haven’t. People don’t just sit at home and collect UBI. People are clearly addicted to consumerism, and that requires having a job. People also enjoy working.
You don’t have a critical mind and you aren’t discussing this in good faith because you clearly think if UBI was enacted that people would all become lazy and sit and home and do nothing. That you think this way shows everyone that you HAVENT done any research or reading on UBI.
Have you met people? Get out of your bubble. Fucking hell, thats the daftest thing Ive ever heard, and I got an A in gender studies. (It was an elective, and I wanted to challenge my view that gender studies was bullshit, sue me)
Yeah. Most that I’ve met work hard to improve their lot, even the few I know who were born rich enough that they don’t have to. Just because you’d be a lazy sack of shit if you could get away with it doesn’t mean everyone else would.
Most wouldnt, but a significant percentage would. I think enough that you cant discount those people from any discussion on UBI.
In Australia we have social security and I know people who are 3rd generation jobless and they dont usually supplement their social security with a casual job, its usually drug dealing or other crime.
Im all for a realistic discussion on UBI but you have to examine how its going to impact all strata of society. Including the ones who will use the lack of any meaningful motivation to do better or be better people.
I promise you that if it comes down to having to sacrifice some work getting done as a result of there being UBI, the market is not going to trim “food production” from the set of projects getting done. It’ll be more like “pumpkin spice ASMR videos” that get the axe.
Like, you agree the market is a medium that transmits needs between people allowing them to negotiate effort ratios for different projects, no?
So given a market and a bunch of people who need to eat, how does that result in food not getting produced? It doesn’t make sense. Hunger is a motivating force. Hunger is an incentive.
Receiving UBI doesn’t remove the incentive to eat. And if there’s a food shortage then there’s profit to be made off producing food. The market still operates with UBI involved.
This video goes over multiple studies and meta analyses that show that, in every single case where it’s been tried, social spending, including UBI, always pays for itself in the long run, and UBI specifically never leads to people just not working. It leads to people finding jobs more their style. And y’know something? The “undesirable” jobs still get done, because there are genuinely people that want to do them.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I have, with a critical mind. If no one works, people starve.
spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
You clearly haven’t. People don’t just sit at home and collect UBI. People are clearly addicted to consumerism, and that requires having a job. People also enjoy working.
You don’t have a critical mind and you aren’t discussing this in good faith because you clearly think if UBI was enacted that people would all become lazy and sit and home and do nothing. That you think this way shows everyone that you HAVENT done any research or reading on UBI.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Have you met people? Get out of your bubble. Fucking hell, thats the daftest thing Ive ever heard, and I got an A in gender studies. (It was an elective, and I wanted to challenge my view that gender studies was bullshit, sue me)
spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
There you go showing the class that you DIDNT do your homework.
There has been UBI implemented for studies in multiple countries around the world and overwhelmingly they show that people still choose to work.
Fuck off back your conservative bubble.
Garbanzo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah. Most that I’ve met work hard to improve their lot, even the few I know who were born rich enough that they don’t have to. Just because you’d be a lazy sack of shit if you could get away with it doesn’t mean everyone else would.
Delphia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Most wouldnt, but a significant percentage would. I think enough that you cant discount those people from any discussion on UBI.
In Australia we have social security and I know people who are 3rd generation jobless and they dont usually supplement their social security with a casual job, its usually drug dealing or other crime.
Im all for a realistic discussion on UBI but you have to examine how its going to impact all strata of society. Including the ones who will use the lack of any meaningful motivation to do better or be better people.
spacecowboy@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Sigh. Read up on the programs already studied.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I promise you that if it comes down to having to sacrifice some work getting done as a result of there being UBI, the market is not going to trim “food production” from the set of projects getting done. It’ll be more like “pumpkin spice ASMR videos” that get the axe.
Like, you agree the market is a medium that transmits needs between people allowing them to negotiate effort ratios for different projects, no?
So given a market and a bunch of people who need to eat, how does that result in food not getting produced? It doesn’t make sense. Hunger is a motivating force. Hunger is an incentive.
Receiving UBI doesn’t remove the incentive to eat. And if there’s a food shortage then there’s profit to be made off producing food. The market still operates with UBI involved.
irmoz@reddthat.com 11 months ago
This video goes over multiple studies and meta analyses that show that, in every single case where it’s been tried, social spending, including UBI, always pays for itself in the long run, and UBI specifically never leads to people just not working. It leads to people finding jobs more their style. And y’know something? The “undesirable” jobs still get done, because there are genuinely people that want to do them.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You’re right. If no one works, people starve.
There’s no reason to assume nobody would work under UBI though.
Sheeple@lemmy.world 11 months ago
A critical lack of mind