Comment on The average car purchased in 2023 emits higher levels of carbon dioxide (CO₂) than its 2013 equivalent. This is due to the large proportion of SUVs in the mix, which tend to be bigger and heavier.

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• Jamie@jamie.moe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also the average length of car ownership before buying something else is about 5 years, but the average loan duration for a new car is 7 years.

  The car market in the US is just screwed.

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My Honda Civic was built in 2008 and it’s fine. My car before that was a Nissan Sentra and it lived 22 years. Drive them until they are piles of rust kept going by duct tape and raw anger, and try not to shed manly tears when they are crushed into a cube.

    I am sorry car, but this is a good death.

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    • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My 2006 Civic was a lemon. I had to replace it after only 10 years

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      • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Only the lower end “economy” Hondas are super reliable. Honda’s higher-end models tend to use newer and less well-vetted engineering while the basic models all rely on older tried and true technology. I learned this the hard way with my 2006 Accord V6 which was a blast to drive, but like yours only lasted about 10 years before it started having serious and very expensive problems.

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  • applejacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    that’s insane, I have a 2005 toyota corolla with zero interest in getting a new car.

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  • icedterminal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Those that do loans are much more likely to have negativity equity when trading in. Which is already proven with those who have terms longer than 4 years. This means on trading in, the borrower is looking at an increased car payment on top of the already higher average transaction price of $35,000. If you put money down, default on the loan and lose the car, you’ve quite literally given away money.

    It’s true the average loan is 7 years, but within the last few years there are 10 year (!) loans are available. This helps bring down an $800 payment. But that interest is gonna suck if you don’t get a very low rate.

    Those that pay off their loans tend to keep their cars for 10 to 12 years. Assuming the car doesn’t catastrophically fail. Which anecdotally happened to our family. 1.6L Ford EcoBoost defect killed the engine 2 years after a 4 year loan was paid off.

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    • Jamie@jamie.moe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Speaking anecdotally here, I wonder if the banks are trying to push those super long loans, too. I bought my car last year, have excellent credit, and put 50% down. The only loan I was offered was an 8 year loan when I wanted 4. Out of sheer spite, I took advantage of the early payoff and paid it off as early as possible to deprive them of as much interest as possible, and it was much faster than the 4 years I asked for.

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      • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Out of sheer spite, I took advantage of the early payoff and paid it off as early as possible to deprive them of as much interest as possible

        As a general FYI for anyone who reads this comment, be aware that bank loans front load the payment of the interest, and the payment of the principal is done on the back end.

        So you have to pay off a loan very quickly to avoid the majority of the interest you would pay for that loan.

        Finally, if you pay extra to try to finish a loan off early, make sure any extra amount you pay is marked as “principal only”. Banks are supposed to always apply any extra to the principal, but a lot of times they apply the extra to the interest, unless you explicitly tell them not to.

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  • ironeagl@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not all cars are bought with loans though.

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    • eskimofry@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then those data points will have 0 for their loan years and it should bring dowm your average years.

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Are those data points even included in the set?

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      • ironeagl@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The opposite is also possible: those bought with loans are probably bought new, and would be expected to be held onto for longer. Older cars are cheaper and are probably bought more with cash. They probably also kick the bucket / are re-sold more quickly.

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• MadBigote@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That has to be the case only in the US.

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  • gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not really. Even in EU the cars are getting bigger even if not as fast as in the US.
    Some year ago the small city cars were smaller than the today version.

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• afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Would you rather make more money per unit product or less money per unit product?

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  • applejacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    well yea, that’s obviously why they do it.

    doesn’t make it good.

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    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Change the laws. If it is a truck you should have to get a CDL, have to go to weight stations, cant drive on the parkway etc. If it is a car it should have to follow the emission rules cars have. There is no point in having standards if we make exceptions so big you can drive a cough…sports utility vehicle…cough through.

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      • applejacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I am sure car companies spend a ton of money lobbying politicians to never do this.

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      • random65837@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If it is a truck you should have to get a CDL, have to go to weight stations, cant drive on the parkway etc.

        Literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. You clearly don’t know what a CDL is, and for that, actual trucks that require them have had emmsision systems for a long time now.

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• CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  also interesting is how few car makers even produce normal sized cars anymore, let alone smaller ones.

  From the article…

  “SUVs and crossovers were traditionally less fuel efficient and more expensive, but that’s not the case anymore. Engine and technology advancements have leveled those drawbacks. SUVs and crossovers are now just as fuel efficient and offer more hauling capability as similar-sized cars for about the same price in many cases,”

  So, who do I believe?

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  • FeelThePoveR@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Engine and technology advancements” can also be applied to smaller cars so that doesn’t really move the needle.

    I think it’s quite obvious that unless you discover how to break the laws of physics, the smaller car will be always more efficient due to better aerodynamics and lower weight

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    • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      the smaller car will be always more efficient due to better aerodynamics and lower weight.

      Be interesting to know how much different the two were, if the difference was minimal, or very large.

      If it’s minimal, and you need the carrying capacity, then it wouldn’t be such a bad thing to own a SUV.

      If it’s not minimal, yeah then it’s better just renting an SUV size vehicle when you need to carry something of large capacity. Unless you need that capacity each and every day, then it would be cost prohibitive to rent versus own.

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  • random65837@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s nothing to not believe, look up the fuel averages. My wife’s Escape averages 40mpg.

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