Comment on xkcd #2846: Daylight Saving Choice

• Player2@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No because if you’re talking to someone on the other side of the planet (thanks internet), you can schedule some sort of event with them without having to look up the time difference before hand

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  • limelight79@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah but you need to know when they’d be sleeping, for example, so you still need to figure something out related to time differences.

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    • blackbrook@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You both just have present your working or availability hours beforehand. Honestly this works better for me than someone assuming I’m available for an 8am meeting. I live on the US east coast, but my sleeping schedule is more west coast.

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      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ok, but businesses run about 8 to 17 local no matter where you are in the world, that’s much easier to figure out with time zones than having to check the business’s schedule every time you need to contact one.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah I’m in the us east but work in a factory so I have to explain it anyways

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      • systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What I’d you don’t want to ask for some specific reason? Time zones!

        Checkmate!

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• Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I never understand the anti timezone argument… Right now I know that across the world they’ll be working somewhere between 8h and 17h local like anywhere else in the world, so I do some quick math and I know when that is in relation to me. Without time zones I need to be actively informed at what time someone across the world is working in order to know when I can contact them…

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  • Schneemensch@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But you are making assumptions which are not really true anywhere. Working hours I Spain and Germany are already white different. Main reason is of course that they share the same time zone by law, but are not geographically in the same time zone. But there are some additional differences in culture which extend this effect.

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sure, but it’s still true that businesses operate during hours similar to any other places in the world. Even in Spain, ~9 to ~14 then ~17 to ~20, the day time hours are still in the “rest of the world bracket”.

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      • Schneemensch@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sure, but that still means you are not reaching someone by phone at work during 4 hours of you previously mentioned 8-17 Windows.

        As someone currently working from Ireland with my usual office in Germany (laptop still configured this way) with a Team from India and DST ending next week, I would prefer to drop the calculations and just remember when each colleague approximately comes online. That is not the same for each colleague and day anyways.

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    • Takumidesh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But if my plane lands at 9am local time, I know it’s the morning at least and I can plan my day appropriately (stores will be open or opening soon instead of just closing for example)

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  • joranvar@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That information won’t be lost, though. It just would be expressed differently. They are no longer in a +8 hour time zone, which given your own location in a +1 hour zone would lead to a most likely open time of 8 - 8 + 1 = 1 til 17 - 8 + 1 = 10 your time, but in an area where opening hours are most likely between 0100 and 1000.

    There is still a lookup, but no longer a lookup of time difference of the area, but a lookup of usual business hours in the area.

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But right now business hours (which is what time zones are used for the most) are the same everywhere, that’s much easier than figuring out if this part is India has its business hours from 3 to 11 or from 4 to 12.

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      • joranvar@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I would say not much different from looking up whether they are in the +0530 or +0630 part of India. I guess the perception of convenience also depends on what you are used to seeing.

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      • daltotron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s always kind of been an illusion. For lots of places, especially around the equator, it gets hot enough that expecting everyone will work the same 9-5 schedule, and businesses will all be open at the same time, is kind of stupid. Places like arizona, it would make sense if instead everyone used a siesta schedule, or if the schedule was shifted way forward in the day, from the later night to early morning, in the much cooler parts. And that’s not even something that’s really dependent on time zones, that’s just dependent on variable climate. I see elimination of time zones, as more of an admittal that how we track that sort of thing is arbitrary anyways, so it’s probably better in my mind to eliminate any pretense of it being an objective system.

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• BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Kind of, but not exactly. Those are the hours their businesses are open. However, this takes one variable out of the formula, which is calculating the time difference. Rather than having to know the time difference and business hours, you’d only have to know the business hours. Also, it would be even easier if you just shared your availability, which is what matters anyway, but you don’t have to calculate the time difference. There’s only one variable to communicate, which is the universal time they would be available. It’s super simple.

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