Comment on The Bajoran Resistance hits different

setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• jet@hackertalks.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I got super invested in emotions of Bajor… mostly the emotion was seething hate of Kai Winn… Space Karen made me feel hate more then I ever felt hate in a TV show.

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  • setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Kai Winn is a special piece of fun to watch, but when she’s riling up the Bajorans, I find myself not caring about them as a whole.

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    • jet@hackertalks.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I did care about Kira going from a terrorist to a government security officer and the struggles she had with the different world view approaches.

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      • JWBananas@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Kira = John Wick. You try to leave the life behind, but the streets Guls keep calling.

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• Makeitstop@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think it’s easy to feel a lot more for the narns because of all the stuff they go through during the series, as opposed to just in the backstory. I think the fact that the narns as a whole and our main narn character in particular start the show as people obsessed with hate and revenge is also very important, both because it shows the impact that the centauri have had on them, and because it makes their arc and character development so much more dramatic.

  It’s been a long time since I went through DS9, but when I think of the bajorans, I think of their own internal political squabbling more than the occupation. Sure, we hear about it and on a few occasions even see what it was like on the station at the time, but there is nothing in there as powerful as the stuff we got in B5, like say, G’kar’s father on the tree.

  Hell, Sisco was thinking about retiring to a little house on Bajor. Ain’t nobody thinking that way about the narn homeworld.

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• eaterofclowns@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I respect that people can have different reactions to things but I can’t imagine seeing Louise Fletcher and having anything but both glee and dread for a Kai Winn episode.

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  • setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But that’s the thing right. We are supposed to care about the Bajorans as a people, but the most memorable leader in their society is completely hatable. She’s fun to watch, but at odds with making me care about the plight of the Bajorans.

    As a comparison: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3_9Xb3U1V4&start=105…

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• mercano@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Having Andreas Katsulas articulate the tragedy of the Narn goes a long way. (No offense to Nana Visitor.)

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• evatronic@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In B5, we heard about the oppression like the Bajorans. But then we got to see it again, first hand.

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  • VindictiveJudge@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Vir: “I’m sorry. I wish there was something that I could do, but… I tried telling them, but they wouldn’t listen. They never listen. I’m sorry.”

    G’kar pulls a knife and slices opem his own hand. In time with the blood dripping from his hand, he says-

    G’kar: “Dead, dead, dead, dead dead, dead, dead, dead dead, dead, dead. How do you apologize to them?”

    Vit: “I can’t.”

    G’kar: “Then I cannot forgive.”

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    • evatronic@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That scene, and the one in the council chambers with “… we will teach it to them again.” were some of the best moments of a show full of greats.

      Here’s that scene, just for fun: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJmuHNDcXLQ

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• CitizenKong@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The great thing about the Narn was that they started as the Cardassians but turned into the Bajorans.

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  • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You mean, like the actual cardassians who go from imperialist rulers to uneasy adversaries to willing subject of an even bigger imperialist, and then finally become the oppressed and exploited on their own world.

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• deegeese@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Narn seemed more oppressed because Bajor had an effective resistance and Narn was conquered twice by the Centauri.

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