Comment on POV) You use Windows 11 and set up Pihole for the first time.

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• CeeBee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The other side of that is that the telemetry data never gives you a “why” of something.

  For example, users might spend a long time at a screen because they are thinking about what to do, or they are confused by the options and can’t figure out which option they need.

  This is why a QA team coupled with a large amount of beta testers is invaluable and necessary.

  Telemetry, in the context of software development and UX design, is either a decision by the misinformed or just an excuse to save costs by axing the Windows QA department.

  In reality it’s likely the data is being sold off. But in either case, that’s data Microsoft isn’t entitled to (from a moral/privacy perspective).

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  • pirat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For example, users might spend a long time at a screen because they are thinking about

    … anything!

    what am I gonna eat?

    I should remember to feed the bicycle…

    who stole my cat btw?

    who am I to judge?

    who am I?

    what’s the meaning of life?

    what’s the meaning of finding it?

    what’s the meaning of figuring out what the meaning is of finding it???

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    • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You forgot about the classic, “Where do you want to go today”

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    • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

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      • pirat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        what does unladen swallow even mean?

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    • CeeBee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Dammit! I forgot to feed my bicycle last night! No wonder it was at my bedroom door ringing its bell nonstop.

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      • pirat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And you recently had your cat stolen because you forgot to lock it before you went into the bike shop to get more food, right?

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  • heyoni@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I replied elsewhere but YES! Telemetry is notorious for causing devs to hyperfocus on shit features due to their high usage. Just because a user is clicking X over Y doesn’t mean Y sucks and X is better. Maybe Y is in their periphery, or camouflaged by the background artwork or worded badly. But hey, since X gets a lot of clicks, it must be good, right?

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  • Chunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Telemetry, in the context of software development and UX design, is either a decision by the misinformed or just an excuse to save costs by axing the Windows QA department.

    That’s very silly. That’s actually such a ridiculous opinion I’m pretty sure you’ve left out some assumption that would make it make sense.

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    • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Telemetry is useful, but there is no accountability on how it’s being used, so ultimately it could be used in bad faith and the average user wouldn’t ever know.

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The other side of that is that the telemetry data never gives you a “why” of something.

    Focus groups and customer surveys work really well for knowing the “why” of something

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• JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I totally agree, but where I have a problem (and I imagine a lot of other users here) is that you can’t fully opt out. You can only set “minimal” tracking but not none.

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  • Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can if you have enterprise version.

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    • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is the solution to a lot of this stuff.

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• Polar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Also, Firefox, lemmys beloved browser, sends telemetry by default. You have to dig through menus you didn’t know existed to even find out, and then disable.

  Not only to Mozilla, but third parties as well.

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  • Matthew@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sure it’s scummy, but it’s definitely not hidden. When you open the settings page Data Collection is a top level option

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    • Polar@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s hidden in the fact it’s not presented upon first startup, it never mentions it, and it’s at the very bottom of the settings page.

      You have to discover it. And who knows how long you had it enabled before you find it.

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      • idyllic_optimism@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s interesting. I always get a pop-up asking about opting in for sending telemetry when installing Firefox. It was never hidden or the option selected for me. I opt out and it stays opted out.

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  • Chickenstalker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Firefox is the lesser of two evils. It turned to shit the moment they took Google’s poisoned money. The money also made the Mozilla org put on airs and think they’re some world-changing UN body or some shit and lose focus on their core business of making web browsers.

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  • LogarithmicCamel@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not sure about this. When I installed Firefox, it asked me if I allowed it to collect data and run studies (I answered yes). Also, as far as I remember, I never changed the Marketing Data setting and it was off.

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  • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mozilla is also HIGHLY political, paying large sums of money to hardcore anti-white organizations.

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    • AreaSIX@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are these the “anti-white” supporters you’re talking about? www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/

      Seems odd that these anti-white warriors would be overwhelmingly white themselves. I’m guessing you think the only competent people they could find to hire were white?

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• CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Devil’s advocate: basically the only proper way to figure out how people are using your product

  Focus groups and customer surveys work really well.

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  • Stumblinbear@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not in the slightest unfortunately. Often customers don’t even know what customers want, and the subgroup that actually responds to these aren’t necessarily “average”

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    • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not in the slightest unfortunately. Often customers don’t even know what customers want, and the subgroup that actually responds to these aren’t necessarily “average”

      That seems like one hell of a hand waving away the opinion.

      You do realize that was used for decades before computer’s and the Internet was a thing, right?

      And they do things like blind tests so they get audiences that are average.

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  • Yawnder@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, they don’t.

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    • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Actually, except for the deepest debugging data that only a programmer would want, you’re incorrect. And the conversation wasn’t just about that one minority type of data set.

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      • Yawnder@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Once again, no.

        Focus group and survey can help a lot as to the “why”, or the perception of things. Telemetry helps with the quantitative, the how and the what quite a lot more. Users often can’t even remember the sequence of events, or even how they reached a given situation.

        All that information is important for the dev itself sure, but also for the UI people, the UX, the product manager, etc.

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