Comment on TikTok ran a deepfake ad of an AI MrBeast hawking iPhones for $2 — and it's the 'tip of the iceberg'

AdmiralShat@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• camr_on@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  How about a real answer: All but a few of our legislators have any idea how technology/Internet works. Anything about the Internet that is obvious to the crowd on lemmy will probably never cross the radar of a geriatric legislator who never needs to even write their own emails bc an aide will do it

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• KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So, the first reason is that the law likely already covers most cases where someone is using deepfakes. Using it to sell a product? Fraud. Using it to scam someone? Fraud. Using it to make the person say something they didn’t? Likely falls into libel.

  The second reason is that the current legislation doesn’t even understand how the internet works, is likely amazed by the fact that cell phones exist without the use of magic, and half of them likely have dementia. Good luck getting them to even properly understand the problem, never mind come up with a solution that isn’t terrible.

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  • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The problem is that realistically this kind of tort law is hilariously difficult to enforce.

    Like, 25 years ago we were pirating like mad, and it was illegal! But enforcing it meant suing individual people for piracy, so it was unenforceable.

    Then the DMCA was introduced, which defined how platforms were responsible for policing IP crime. Now every platform heavily automates copyright enforcement.

    Because there, it was big moneybags who were being harmed.

    But somebody trying to empty out everybody’s Gramma’s chequing account with fraud? Nope, no convenient platform enforcement system for that.

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    • Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’re saying that the solution would be to hold TikTok liable in this case for failing to prevent fraud on its platform? In that case, we wouldn’t even really need a new law. Mostly just repealing or adding exceptions to Section 230 would make platforms responsible. That’s not a new solution though. People have been pushing for that for years.

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      • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        DMCA wasn’t a blanket “you’re responsible now”, but defined a specific process for “this is how you demand something is taken down and the process the provider must follow”.

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    • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      IANAL, but can’t MrBeast sue the ad creator company for damaging his reputation?

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      • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Good luck with that, I guess This company is gone before misterB can finish writing his lawsuit, and with it all the scammed money. But I guess there is some law forcing platforms to not promote scams, I hope, at least in some countries.

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  • ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Huh TIL that the average age of the Senate and the House has steadily increased over time: nbcnews.com/…/118th-congress-age-third-oldest-178…

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hope more learn soon and finally vote for some young people, damit 😁✌🏻

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• p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  yet there was no legislation put in place to target this behavior

  Why is the solution to every problem outlawing something?

  “We need to do something about prostitution. Let’s outlaw it!”

  “We need to do something about alcohol. Let’s outlaw it!”

  “We need to do something about drugs. Let’s outlaw them!”

  “We need to do something about gambling. Let’s outlaw it!”

  All of it… a bunch of miserable failures, which have put good people in prison and turned our whole country into a goddamn police state. You can’t outlaw technology without international treaties to make sure every other country follows suit. That barely works with nuclear weapons, and only because two cities exploded by the bombs and at least a couple decades of being afraid of a nuclear apocalypse.

  What the hell do you think is going to happen if we make moves on AI? China takes the lead, does what it wants, and suddenly, it’s the far superior superpower. The end.

  Hell, how do we know this isn’t China propaganda running on China’s propaganda platform?

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  • ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why is legislation= outlawing to you?

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fear mongering.

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  • AdmiralShat@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How is making it illegal to steal a person’s face and make them say things they never agreed to going to make China an AI super power?

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    • urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s already illegal to impersonate someone to steal money. It’s called fraud.

      AI is going to cause huge problems (I am really worried about how things are going to shake out) but I’m also not convinced writing special laws about it is going to change anything. We do need to make sure our current laws don’t have loopholes that AI can somehow exploit.

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      • AdmiralShat@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s fraud to use it for financial gain, however it’s not illegal to directly copy someone’s likeness for non business uses.

        You can legally make videos of people saying or doing things that hadn’t, and as this technology gets more advanced we will see more of its effects. Politics will be very tricky when you can upload a video of Presidents or candidates saying literally anything.

        Not only that, but make someone commit a crime on camera? Even if you aren’t trying to get them prosecuted, it could lead to severe issues.

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    • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How is making it illegal to steal a person’s face and make them say things they never agreed to going to make China an AI super power?

      One, fraud is already illegal, and there’s plenty of other laws to use in this situation. And none of those laws apply to other countries.

      Two, as soon as you ask Congress to enact some law to defend against the big bad AI monster under your bed, it’s going to go one of two ways:

      1. They push some law that’s so toothless that it doesn’t really do anything except limit the consumer and put even more power into the corporations.
      2. They push a law so restrictive that other countries take advantage of the situation and develop better AI than we have. And yes, a technology this important has the ability to give one country a huge advantage.

      It’s an arms race right now. Either we adapt to these situations with enforcement, education, and containment, or other countries will control our behaviors through manipulation and propaganda. More laws and legislation is not going to magically fix the problem.

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      • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Copyright infringement was also already illegal, but mass copyright infringement on major platforms didn’t really get handled until the DMCA came out with specific responsibilities for how platforms had to handle copyright infringement.

        Like, if you let 15 seconds of the wrong pop-song appear in a YouTube vid they will come after you because YouTube has to avoid being liable for that infringement, but the phone companies can let scammers run rampant without consequence.

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  • halvo317@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    At no point did you come anywhere close to anything that can be considered a rational thought

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    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Or you could propose alternative solutions instead of building a weird straw man with sex workers and gin.

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  • Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are you seriously comparing alcohol. To people stealing someone’s likeness to commit fraud?

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    • Fal@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s already illegal though

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      • Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you can prove it. Which takes time and money. It would be far better to update laws to keep up with our tines and put a stop to it before it begins.

        What’s being done to Mr Beast, and also Tom Hanks. Is nothing short of Identify theft.

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Because no laws will pass without reason.

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