I really don’t understand the reason of such a bitter and disrespect response to a politely posed question. Shouldn’t leftists be more tolerant than their right wing counterpart? Or maybe people are starting to be so ill-tempered just because they are systematically losing all elections in Europe and US?
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Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Since you were unwilling to be open or direct with your beliefs (a hallmark of conservatism), I did you the favor of looking through your comment history to try and find the disconnect. And I did.
You seem just as insufferable as other conservatives, just more sexist than racist, which is not an improvement.
At the end of the day, the right is about abusing people infavor of financial gains and controlling their lives. Whatever justification they apply to it is irrelevant. In every country all over the planet, they use different reasons but the political right is always about controlling people.
So you’re looking for a community without hate, but your only willing to look at abusive communities. You’re not going to find it. You need to ask yourself, why are you a conservative and why do you still want to be part of them?
DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 11 months ago
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I read his comments and judged him based on how he choose to present himself. I think thats a pretty fair way to make assumptions about a person, based on their words. I responded accordingly and advised him that if he didn’t feel he fit in that category he may want to reconsider how he identify his beliefs.
Also, learn about the tolerance paradox and you’ll understand why the left are currently so strongly against the right. Also, the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.
DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 11 months ago
The tolerance paradox applies to a purely theoretical situation, not to modern society where people have constitutional rights. All radicalisms are equally flawed and, personally, I prefer to deal with the “originals” rather than with spoiled youngsters who are pathetically trying to emulate the “tough” adults.
Deestan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well, I am a gray haired Gen X-er and fuck conservative fearmongering evil exploitative shit. The radical left youths warm my heart.
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s a lot of words to say you want fascists in society.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 11 months ago
The issue with the tolerance paradox is it gives way to thuggery once those with the most power decide what their idea of "tolerance" will and will not actually tolerate. That's why we have a Bill of Rights. Call it intolerant, but name something that actually tolerates more (not just "progressive" or anarchist vlaues).
magnetosphere@kbin.social 11 months ago
BuckyVanBuren@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That isn’t actually Popper. That is Marcuse.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse
That crappy cartoon gets shared a lot but it does not actually represent Popper’s views.
It is, however, A very accurate description of Marcuse’s views. It even looks like him!
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Broken link man, no idea what you’re trying to share
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 11 months ago
If the left wantsbto be intolerant of a given group, that's a fine, debatable position to have. It's intellectually dishonest to refer to such a position as "tolerant," though.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
the left is making great gains in the US, the right is the side losing seats.
I thought the US Democratic party was “far right”?
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t know if you’re trying to make a joke about something, but Republicans are far right, democrats are left of center.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 11 months ago
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Shocking that a multiple time Trump voter’s highest level of discourse is a South Park clip. I’d feel bad for your parents, but they’re probably just as dumb
morphballganon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Conservatives attempted to overthrow my country on 1/6/21. Why do they deserve respect after that? A reasonable, moral person would see that and choose to stop being conservative.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
You mean that a few drunk people with guns are representative of a half of the country?
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No, we mean your worthless-ass party. It was fun to watch a bunch of then surrender in Atlanta again though.
They are absolutely represtative of your party. They were led by your leader, your party wants them pardoned. You probably also believe some combination of them being both patriots AND a false flag.
You’re all idiots, and they represent you well.
phillaholic@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You don’t have to tolerate intolerance.
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 11 months ago
No, you don't, but at that point you are no longer truly "tolerant."
phillaholic@lemm.ee 11 months ago
magnetosphere@kbin.social 11 months ago
It annoys me, and it’s not a good look, but to a point, I can understand what’s behind it.
In the past, conservatives had a greater respect for education and fair debate. There was more tolerance for moderate views. In recent years, things have gotten increasingly emotional and extreme. I can attribute some of the disrespect to frustration with that change.
You’re right, though - this IS a politely posed question. None of what I was talking about above applies here. It’s inappropriate to attack OP for their beliefs when they’re going out of their way to be diplomatic.
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Being polite is pretty meaningless when you advocate against victims of harassment and sexual assault, wouldnt you agree? So why are we giving him credit in politely looking for allies when his political ideology is based in bigotry?
Also, read his old comments. He “politely” condescends and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his stances. He “politely” tells them to not be emotional and just accept his view of things. Fuck him.
I don’t care if “it’s a good look”, I’m not trying to sugar coat truths for misogynists. What that party believed in the past is irrelevant, what they say and do now matters. It’s not a frustration with their change, its an unwillingness to respect them while they openly court fascism. Which, i think, is pretty damn reasonable.
You want to shame me for being rude to the right? I hope you’re used to be ignored. I’m not going to be a part of sowing division on the left, even when a conservative asks me to “politely”.
magnetosphere@kbin.social 11 months ago
No, I’m not going to shame you. You’re right. It’s just that I set the bar VERY low when it comes to conservatives and their discussion skills.
I want to encourage civilized discourse, even if the views being expressed are highly problematic. Discussion without an explosive tantrum is only a little bit of progress, bit it is progress. Baby steps.
Oh, and no, I hadn’t looked at their post history. Now I have. Yikes.
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
So, I’m goin to assume you’re talking about the comments on the thing with soccer? I still stand with it. If that’s not it, uncertain what you’re pointing to. If it sexism to say “we do not know everything as viewer”, well yeah. We got different mindset to that.
Looking at abusiveness communities, such as? I just meant that, most places are filled with hateful stuff and I’m unable to find one that’s not like that.
I commented on someone else which might explain why, I’m more leaning to the right ( at least I think that’s explain it, if not let me know).
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It wasn’t that you didn’t believe her, its your complete dismissal of everyone who disagreed with you as “making it personal”. You behave like a stereotypical conservative. You act as though you’re the only person who can see it clearly and objectively, when it’s pretty obvious from the outside that you can only imagine the situation from his perspective.
I’m referring to all conservative communities as abusive. You can’t find one that isn’t hateful because that’s what conservatives are.
If you wanted to lay out some of your beliefs I could tell you generally where you would align stateside, but you seem to not want to actually discuss what you believe.
SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh look, a conservative that doesn’t belive in consent.
What a surprise.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
Oh look, a wokeist who thinks consent can be withdrawn retroactively.
What a surprise.
Huxleywaswrite@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How fucking pathetic are you, did you just call him a “wokeist”? Is English not your native language?
ihavenopeopleskills@kbin.social 11 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B10XKWAFFcE
SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Let’s compare the number of cases a conservative didn’t get consent vs the number of cases a non-consentual kiss brought someone back from clinical death 🙃
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What is there to disagree with? Women talking about assault and harassment? Yes, let’s go back to the good old days when we all pretended rape was fine or didn’t happen…
ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I honestly do not care about upvotes, downvotes and such. On Lemmy, it means nothing. If it ever does, I will treat it like Reddit. Only go to places that I enjoy, never discuss certain topics.
If people insult or are hateful, I will just ignore them. No point in discussion with such people.