Oh for fuck sake. You pay no registration and no insurance, demand equal rights to the road and give zero shits about creating traffic jams.
Then complain when you break road rules and get fined.
You’re an entitled cunt.
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ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 11 months agoWe don’t want the same rights. We don’t want to be allowed on highways. Cyclists take up much less space when parking, too, so parking in an incorrect spot is not such an issue.
TheLurker@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Marsupial@quokk.au 11 months ago
You sound like someone who drives an American “truck”.
Cyclists are freeing up the roads from extra traffic by them not adding another car onto the road. They benefit us far more than they will ever hinder us.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Wild that chart doesn’t include a motorbike of some sort honestly.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Easy enough to calculate yourself. A quick Google says that an average motorbike might be as much as 700 pounds, and if we use the same “fat man” as the bike (300 lb), that’s a total of 1000 lb. The formula for comparative damage is (W~1~/W~2~)^4^, so plug that in and we get (1000/350)^4^, or motorbikes doing 66× the damage of the bike, or 0.00396.
If a cyclist had to pay a $10 fee, as @ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de suggests, motorbikes would pay $660, while the average car driver pays a whopping $1,100,000, if you were trying to accurately account for damage done.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Firstly, you’re an Aussie, I’m an Aussie and we’re on an Aussie instance, the heck are you using pounds for? Secondly, there’s not a chance in hell the average motorbike weighs 317 kilograms! A Honda Goldwing, notoriously one of the chonkiest, plushest experiences in motorcycling, is only 390kg, and they have an 1800cc flat-six engine. I used to ride a 500cc twin and at 192kg it was heavier than a lot of 1000cc 4cyl that have more expensive, lighter materials. These days, I have a Postie Bike and that’s exactly 100kg lighter than my 500 was. It’s the equivalent of carrying a slightly overweight dude on my shoulders.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 months ago
I only used pounds because the table the user above shared was in pounds. And comparative damage is just that: comparative. It’s the fourth power of the ratio between the two. So keeping to the same units was easiest.
Regarding the rest of it, remember we’re comparing it to a “freakishly heavy bicycle”. The table the other user shared implies a fat man + bike is 350 lb. My assumption was that’s 300 lb person + 50 lb bike. That would be a 23 kg bike. That’s crazy heavy. It’s more than double most bikes’ weight, and triple the weight of a racing bike. So if the motorbike weight I used is an overestimate, that’s basically just evening the playing field. (While both will still end up looking worse compared to a car than they should—which just highlights how much better both are than cars.)
Anyway, I got the figure by just Googling “motorbike weight”, which turned up this page, which says:
Some sources say the “average” motorcycle weighs around 700 pounds, but the weight depends on the brand of the bike, the engine size, and the style—whether it’s a street, off-road, touring, cruiser, or sport bike, or something else entirely.
I’m not interested in being precise enough to delve into those different factors, so going with the quoted “average” sounded good to me.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Same deal as fat man really, my 300cc was like 150kg
TheLurker@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They are a bunch of entitled whinging cunts who enjoy creating traffic jams in peak hour traffic.
The fact that one of their “legion” was fined just infuriates them because they want equality on the road only it suits them.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 11 months ago
We wouldn’t have to if we had bike paths -_-
You know that most of the urban population can get by without using cars on 95% of their days even in Australia’s limited public transport infrastructure, and there’s something you need to face:
Eventually, you’ll have to. Cars are unsustainable.
So the sooner bike-friendly infrastructure that allows cyclists to get around without illegal shit or inconveniencing others hets built, the better. They’ll get safer journeys and motorists will feel the drop in traffic even if your roads get narrower. Cars are those that need extra red tape – I would suggest taxes based on car weight for the urban population (farmers in the outback is somewhat justified for ownong trucks).
Nath@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Whenever there’s any sort of bike vs car debate, the “don’t pay road tax” argument always comes up. It’s such a strange argument. While I’m sure they exist, I don’t know any cyclists who don’t also have a car / driver’s license.
When I commute to work on the bike, there’s a car sitting in the garage that I’m paying road taxes for that is not creating more traffic/pollution. It is not taking up a parking space in the city.
I’m also lucky enough to live in a city where I have a dedicated bike lane for all but the first and last few hundred meters of my commute. So I don’t buy the ‘traffic jams’ argument either. I’m actually faster than cars in the CBD, they slow me down.