Comment on Age checks creep into Linux as systemd gets a DOB field

underisk@lemmy.ml ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• AcornTickler@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Systemd isn’t an init system. Systemd-init is an init system and it is a part of the systemd suite.

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  • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It has been sold as just an init system to people who argued it’s a Katamari Damacy. We now know who was right.

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  • underisk@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Whatever the fuck it is it doesn’t need to know how old I am to do its job.

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    • mcv@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It already has fields for personal information, though, and they’re every bit as sensitive as your birthdate. realName, emailAddress, location, and timezone are already in there. The important part is that they’re all optional, and you don’t have to fill them in at all, or can fill them in with fake data. The system still serves you, not some outside party.

      But the timing of it does have a lot of people freaking out about it.

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      • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I now fear it will one day be required for services on the internet (as it is by a rescent law in Calafornia). I want to make that less uikely, and more difficult to implement.

        Having a principle the majority do not have and refusing to participate means being another step further out of society.

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    • AcornTickler@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It doesn’t need to know your age. It just provides a way to take a note of your birth date, only if you want to. The system already has a place to write your name and home address. All are optional and practically nobody uses them.

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    • Yttra@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And it still doesn’t, the blank space does not need to be filled

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      • bruzzard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        …until it becomes a requirement to be filled.

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    • idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It doesn’t know how old are you, it just remembers a date you tell it. You can give your birthday, but you can choose any other day

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      • GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is step 1.

        Final step: Scan your passport to verify and populate the date of birth field.

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• paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What service should handle it instead?

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  • RibbidRabbid@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why is it need at all??

    NONE

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    • mech@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Because it’s going to be a legal requirement, with fines of $7000 per affected underage user, which will instantly bankrupt the non-profits representing distros and kill off community-maintained Linux.
      Do note: The legal requirement is NOT for age verification. Only for having a field where you as the admin can enter whatever the fuck you want.

      If you don’t agree with the law, good. Neither do I. But the devs aren’t the ones to apply pressure to, here.
      They’re forced to do this to keep the lights on, and they’ve implemented it in a way that keeps you as the admin in full control.

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      • RibbidRabbid@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        1. Literally no one forced them to do that yet. They just decided to get on their knees preemptively and start licking boots

        2. Open source software has maintainers all around the world. Why the fuck would the rest of the world care about this fucked up law coming from ONE state?

        Again, no one is forced to do anything. And if I was a maintainer on FOSS where I would be forced to implement something like this, I would just stop contributing to that project.

        Fuck everyone going along with this state surveillance bullshit.

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      • silverneedle@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why doesn’t Debian do it instead of systemd? Let the distros decide on the plan of action, this is clearly not something that systemd has to decide. The people maintaining systemd are leveraging the fact that their shite software runs on more than 95% of Linux machines. What is weird too is compliance ahead of time. Compliance ahead of time makes sense with cars, but software can be updated immediately when necessary.

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      • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sounds like a reason to start a riot.

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