And also don’t forget charging stations don’t exist, and vast majority of people who live in higher density housing have zero way of charging at home.
Solventbubbles@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean… The main reason is people don’t have money for a new car. Also the electrical infrastructure in this country is not ready for everyone to go electric.
The gas and oil industries have paid TONS of money to keep people locked into gas vehicles.
Once again, the rich continue to fuck the rest of us.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
org@lemmy.org 3 weeks ago
My apartment building has parking spots with “EV” painted on them but no chargers.
Emi@ani.social 3 weeks ago
Same feeling like when they painted bicycle lanes on the side of roads and said they built such and such km of bicycle lanes.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Its actually crazy how little is done for energy efficeny and EV preparedness for high denisty housing in the midwest US to me. There is just next to no incentive for most places because 1 they dont pay for electricty and 2 they dont have to tell potential tenets just how bad the bills tend to be in a place.
The EV preparedness is mostly just the lack of rent seeking potential vs any effort most rental companies are willing to put in.
Theoretically those bastards could be upselling power from meters they installed on the property and be making money from it, but that would require running a buisness with skilled and valued workers and not a constant revolving door of underpaid under trained employees.
magguzu@lemmy.pt 3 weeks ago
The big appeal of EVs isn’t the public charging ports. They are cheaper than gas but not cheap.
Its the outlet at your house. And no despite what marketing says you do NOT have to install a 240V socket. Your existing one is fine for the vast majority of people charging overnight. If you’re commuting to/from work, chances are that non-100% charge will serve just fine.
If you don’t have a way to charge at home though it can be harder to recommend.
Nollij@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Level 1 charging can work for a lot of people, but it ends up needing a lot more mental energy. You have to more carefully calculate capacity/range, daily needs, charging speeds, variances, and unexpected needs. The end result being that it’s not a great experience.
Level 2, even at the slowest speeds, are enough that you can fully recharge most vehicles overnight. And you have enough capacity to last through the day unless you are a super commuter or drive professionally.
ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If our grid can take on data centers, we can handle EVs my dude.
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re repeating big oil talking points. We improve the grid all the time, we can continue to do it. Sure if all cars were magically converted into EVs tomorrow we would have big problems, but that’s not how the real world works.
If the grid actually was about to fall over because of a few more EVs, these datacenters spinning up all over the place would be even bigger disasters than they already are.
ramble81@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Got news for you with the Datacenters…
Solventbubbles@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m not using big oil talking points. I’m saying in reality, because of the damage that big oil has done to keep us from going electric, the infrastructure is not currently there.
They’ve paid money to keep us from expanding our grid. They are saying it won’t work because they are making sure it doesn’t.
I completely agree with you that I think it is absolutely possible, but there are bigger things blocking the way.
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
By repeating their talking points, you are arguing that we should slow EV adoption. You are literally doing their work for them. At least if you worked for BP you could cash a pay check, you’re out here working for them for free.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You could also be like James May, who daily drives an EV and has a hydrogen car. And also states that the charging takes too long and it’s not convenient for, say, younger people who cannot afford a house. So anyone under 40 these days.
I’d absolutely get an EV for a daily. But not at the apartment I live at. I literally cannot charge it at home and you’d be wrong if you think I’d go out of my way to have to plan to charge it for longer than it takes to just put gas in an internal combustion car.
You can be critical of something that you want to succeed. I’m probably most critical of things I enjoy, because I know a lot of them can be better.
EV adoption should be increasing, especially for normal daily driver cars. It’ll let the weekend cars live longer as well. Win win.
This is only fresh in my mind because James put out a video, quite literally yesterday, explaining what he does and does not like about his Model 3.
Solventbubbles@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
My dude is that what I said?
I am very anti-big oil. I also acknowledge the fact that big oil has fucked us.
I think if we can break away from their stranglehold on the industry, we can expand our grid and make EV happen. We also have a very large country with nothing in the middle. There are states without any electric chargers installed. It’s a very big hurdle.
I never said we should slow EV adoption. If anything, I think they need to give everybody an electric car for free and make solar panels standard everywhere. But that’s not going to happen because of capitalism.
theneverfox@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
This is a pretend problem. When have EVs ever caused rolling brown outs?
Grid can’t handle the current of all the cars charging at once? Charge them slower. Get a battery bank for your home to smooth out the demand curve. Throw banks of supercaps at fast charging stations. Fix the fucking grid as you go. Use battery banks on the grid to even out demand at any level. Hell, you can use the cars themselves as battery banks and bring back rooftop solar tax breaks
It’s a fake problem, our grid and production do genuinely need work, but in practice EV adoption hasn’t been a limiting factor at all
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Charge during non-peak hours. Demand on the grid fluctuates over the day, use it when it’s not in use.
MangoCats@feddit.it 3 weeks ago
I’d advise anyone considering buying a battery bank to look at this one simple metric:
Take the price of the battery bank, divide it by the total number of kWh that the battery bank will source to your electric devices over the battery bank’s lifetime. That should give you a figure of $ per kWh that you can compare with what you currently pay for electricity.
Anytime I have run that exercise, the battery bank is costing me near or more per kWh than I pay for electricity from the grid, even if I am charging the battery for free (which is never the case, even with solar there’s a cost of installation and maintenance.)
If you want the battery bank for grid independence, it’ll do that, but know there’s a cost.
If you live in some crazy demand variable tariff area where you pay $0.20 more per kWh during peak than you do in off hours, the battery may make financial sense for you there, particularly if you can sell power back to the grid at peak tariff rates during peak hours.
Most people: batteries are a waste of effort that don’t save you money, plus they have the added thrill of being a non-zero risk source of a signifianct fire.
themurphy@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Yes, you are. The grid is in no way blocking you. You are repeating propaganda.
As the other guy/girl said, only if everyone switched from one day to the other, you’d have a temporary problem.
How many data centers do you think you need to power a car?
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Stop repeating big oil talking points