Comment on 18-26 year olds, How do you plan to dodge the draft?

Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The phrase “Yes, officer, please put me in a building with access to weapons and military officials.” Is a very useful tool.

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• Arghblarg@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Fragging is back on the menu, boys! /s

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• TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s funny how a small group of people can make 99% of the world do heinous things they don’t necessarily want to do but the masses rarely fight back. Tyrants will never be afraid when they know nobody will ever do anything effective against them. Noone can convince me we aren’t already in at least the first ring of hell based on how fucked up this world is.

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  • French75@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you haven’t read about the Milgram Experiment, it’s a fascinating, and disheartening journey into notions of authority and compliance. In short… Milgram’s finding was that most people do what they’re told–even when they known it’s wrong–simply because they’re told to do it.

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    • TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I have read about it and I have issues with it, at least the original study. The participants signed up for an experiment run by a Yale professor so I’m sure a lot of them didn’t think this would cause serious damage if any damage in reality. The participants signed up knowing they would get paid.

      Not that money would excuse them for “harming” people but in combination with what would appear to be a professionally run experiment by a reputable school, I don’t think people would necessarily assume this was some kind of actual murder room.

      Now if the experiment was to give randomly selected participants off the street a gun and tell them to shoot a puppy, I think the results would differ.

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      • FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I definitely think this experiment has issues, but I think the reasons you mentioned make it more applicable to the military though not other scenarios. Bc soldiers are meant to obey orders above all else. Their commanders aren’t random people, they’re meant to be the authorities who know what’s a war crime and what’s not. Now, obviously that’s not true, or if they do know they don’t necessarily give a shit, but this all sets up a permission structure that it’s “okay” to follow orders even if it seems kinda wrong

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• Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Uh, yeah. Let us know how it goes.

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  • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Autist here, i refuse orders on principle, the only way people can get me to do anything is to have me decide that i agree on doing so.

    My expectations if i was ever forced in a military setting would be to get punished for Insubordination at a constant rate, i assume to get beaten, locked up, be given the extra shitty food (which i just wouldn’t eat).

    When it comes to being put under pressure i have a lifetime of experience. They can hurt, torture me all they want but will never rule over my independent thoughts.

    I am no hero, nor a vigilante but simply holding on to what i know is right is what gives me strengt. And while i expect coming out bruised, broken and traumatised it will stil not be close to the horrors my own mind will inflict on me for going against my nature.

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  • NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    People in this comment thread seem to think it’s like one commanding officer in a room with them, so they do 1v1 combat like it’s a flipping video game.

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    • Spacehooks@reddthat.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Good point Fragging works well for multi kill achievements.

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I was imagining a tent full of them while I’m outside with explosives tbh

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  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Isn’t it the logical thing to do?

    I mean, actually killing the innocent is out of the question. Shrug.

    So what are my options, what can I do?

    1. If I sit there and do nothing, that boss shoots me, and then he simply orders the next one to kill the innocent. No good option.

    2. If I kill myself, the same as above.

    3. Only if I kill that boss, then the source of the trouble is fixed. The only option to fix it.

    No, I am not in a position to try it out. Much too old and much too far away from Usa.

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    • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This was about things to say in the interview at the draft board. What do you think will happen, if you say stuff like that?

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      • NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “Put me in jail for refusing to kill civilians for another country’s resources. Your regime will not last as long as my sentence.”

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