No, I just question the methodology and the message they’re trying to send
Comment on 40% of teenage boys believe women lie about domestic and sexual violence: new research
Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I genuinely question if this is some sort of trend and not just how it has always been.
Cuz 40% of teenage boys being idiots seems kind of timeless.
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fleur_@aussie.zone 1 day ago
It would have been really great if they linked a detailed breakdown of the information gathered in the article. Swear to god every article that says “we did a study” never show the fucking study. Like come on let me see the data.
craiglambie42@fosstodon.org 17 hours ago
@Fleur_ @Fishnoodle the study hasn't been published yet. The article said 'in our soon to be released study'
Ilandar@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Normally Conversation articles link to the study in question, but this one hasn’t been published (yet). Not sure why the editor(s) didn’t just wait for that first. I agree that it’s lacking detail/context and feels a bit incendiary without it.
Cypher@aussie.zone 1 day ago
I guarantee you this study gets absolutely shredded in review.
If anyone can link it to me when it’s public I will post my own review of it. Wouldn’t be the first time I get garbage retracted.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Like come on let me see the data.
It’s probably paywalled eh.
Fleur_@aussie.zone 1 day ago
If it is I wouldn’t be able to find out because it’s not linked to in the article .
Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I don’t follow
CTDummy@piefed.social 1 day ago
Our research: In our recent national survey of Australian adults and adolescents, we examined general misogynistic attitudes and support for violent extremism.
Not sure if this is what they’re referring but am also curious how this survey was conducted.
For example the question “do you believe women lie about DV/SV”. As someone who had a parent lie about related matters, I could answer yes, but is that what the question is actually asking? It seems to be asking if women, in general, lie about them. Obviously, no they don’t, but you can see how a question especially when posed to teenagers may lead to responses easily sensationalised by a news outlet. The inverse of this questions seems to be “do you believe women never lie about DV/SV?”
There’s a reason self reported surveys are a nightmares for academics to use for meaningful data. Worth pointing the rest of the article has a lot of valid and concerning material that isn’t somehow magically undone by the articles research methods.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Regardless thanks for the solid explanation.
shads@lemy.lol 1 day ago
Right from the start I will state I know the plural of anecdote isn’t evidence. But I have a friend who has given up teaching year 11/12 athletic development and now teaches grade 7 pe. Primary reason is the mysoginistic shit she had to put up with from the boys who felt their gender made them better at anything sports related than her. She would compete in triathlon in her spare time with all the training & commitment that entails, and yet the podgy, vaping 18yo man children would tell jokes with each other about how she should go back to the kitchen “where she belongs”.
When we were discussing this amongst a group that included 3 other female teachers every one of them agreed they are seeing more of that sort of crap every year. My guess would be all the Manosphere brainrot is having an affect. Couple that with kids around that age feeling the urge to be as edgy as possible…
I have noticed once or twice that my sons have started talking that way due to a combination of online and peer influence and I have stepped in to disabuse them of the notion that their chromosomes make them special or superior. But it’s the world they live in and I pity the kids without a parent who is keeping any eye on them.
ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca 1 day ago
Thank you for being the kind of parent the world should have more of. Kids are dumb but curious by nature, and need a guiding hand to direct them away from misinformation, propaganda, and other toxic things they have no way to discern from truth before they have the experience to tell them apart.
shads@lemy.lol 1 day ago
Parent by choice not by accident so its incumbent on me to do my best, although I would never claim to be perfect, or even close.
Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
You’re right. I guess I was just following the same train of thought as the whole, “There were not less autistics before the internet.” logic.
I only have male friends who teach but they all agree that critical thinking and cognitive function in general have plummeted. And we’re in Canada!
shads@lemy.lol 1 day ago
Oh well maybe we should shove them in front of a screen and have them use AI until the scores improve. /s
Seriously when they do the analysis in 100 years we are going to cop so much negativity about our misguided attempts to make education a success by making it more profitable for the corporations that are forever sinking their claws deeper and deeper into our childrens future.
We know that LLMs have a negative impact on learning, mental health and the environment but we keep getting presented the Emperors wrinkled backside and then being told to marvel at it.
Anyway I tend to go on rants if I don’t reign myself in, so I’m going to stop there.