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AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• DigitalAudio@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The situation is eerily similar to that of the Crusader States and the Latin Empire in surprise surprise the “Holy Land”.

  Not to mention those wars also came as a general result of prosperity and wealth in Christian kingdoms that fought and pushed back the Islamic states.

  Israel has a lot in common with the Latin Empire really. Fully supported by a foreign, far away power with strategic interests in the region.

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• AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Not to be a downer, but if the US fell, do you really think there would no longer be oil or other interests in the Middle East? Do you think Israel would simply give up and actually keep a peace treaty just because the American government fell?

  I doubt it. If the US were to collapse, the rich who survive would move to other countries, as would the majority of people involved in the military industrial complex. And Israel and others would simply end up buying the same tech from new countries.

  Those who profit off the war would simply pay for weapons and propaganda from new nations; the demand would not fall and the supply would rise to meet it. The players might have different names, but I think the wars would go on just the same.

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  • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Not to be a downer, but if the US fell, do you really think there would no longer be oil or other interests in the Middle East? Do you think Israel would simply give up and actually keep a peace treaty just because the American government fell?

    Yes. I do. I think most people don’t want a war that can reach their homes, and the reason why burgerlanders are not so worried about wars is because they always happen half a planet away from them.

    And yeah, I absolutely believe that the new nazis of our world would be much more calm and collected and much less nazis if they didn’t have the biggest military of the world backing every nazi thing they do as the good lap dogs they are.

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    • AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I suppose I didn’t think about the distance, but in the past I don’t think that’s been much of an issue. WWII seems to be a good example of war literally right outside the countries involved. The isolation of the US actually seemed to discourage involvement rather than encourage it.

      Now I’d imagine the immediate aftermath of the collapse would slow conflicts for a time. However, I think the collapse of the US would increase the already increasing desire for weapons production in Europe and with “defense companies” in the US dissolving, the manpower would head wherever there is pay for weapons. (Or it would stay in the US forming terrifying little weapons manufacturer feudalist states still making weapons for wars across the sea… I shouldn’t give the universe any ideas…)

      I also think the collapse of the US will fuel the already growing right wing movements in other countries as Nationalism and “protecting our country from the enemy” will become even stronger pathos in the wake of fear and insecurity caused by the upset in world order.

      On your note of locality, Ive just had an interesting thought: Maybe the most effective way to end war in the east would be to have multiple simultaneous armed conflicts happen nearer to every nation. If you are dealing with a war on the home front, it is unlikely you’ll be willing to spend resources far away. And people who have seen the ravages of war first hand are probably not going to want to start new ones once the fighting finally stops. Kind of like forest fires doing less damage if they burn through a forest quickly, the world explodes with war and for once actually tires itself out.

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      • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        WWII seems to be a good example of war literally right outside the countries involved.

        We’re not that generation of people. We are much less interested in war, and proof is how many people in Europe today don’t want a war with Iran. It’s not “just a few”.

        Now I’d imagine the immediate aftermath of the collapse would slow conflicts for a time. However, I think the collapse of the US would increase the already increasing desire for weapons production in Europe and with “defense companies” in the US dissolving, the manpower would head wherever there is pay for weapons. (Or it would stay in the US forming terrifying little weapons manufacturer feudalist states still making weapons for wars across the sea… I really shouldn’t give the universe any ideas…)

        Europe only wants weapons because the world is becoming more violent since burgerland elected the pedofile.

        I also think the collapse of the US will fuel the already growing right wing movements in other countries as Nationalism and “protecting our country from the enemy” will become even stronger pathos in the wake of fear and insecurity caused by the upset in world order.

        Do you know who’s been fueling and powering those right wing movements here? Yup, it’s, again, something from burgerland: facebook, twitter… and now even tiktok. Getting rid of them would only do us good.

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  • cheesorist@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    if the US fell, the terrorists called israel would cease to exist.

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• Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think we need to get The Grimmace to fight our wars. Nothing can kill the grimmace!

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  • mycodesucks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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