Comment on I'm struggling to think of any online services for which I'd be willing to verify my identity or age
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
I am actually not fundamentally against the idea of age verification for some things online. We have many things with age restrictions in real life, for various reasons, it kind of makes sense to have it online as well for some things.
but…it has to be done with zero-knowledge proof so we limit the amount of private data exposed to the absolute bare minimum.
Maybe in alternate timeline where tech companies have historically acted ethically.
In this timeline where each new company and/or ceo is less ethical than the last, I know that any type of identification will be mismanaged at best or used maliciously at worst
There is already age verification, it’s called an ISP bill.
Well your fundamentally wrong enjoy your safe little cage bird, perhaps your master will lift the sheet today.
I also want zero knowledge personhood/Nationality verification for social media. Maybe with age too. I want to know where the accounts come from and whether they are a bot or not.
It can be optional, as long as I get a filter to remove all non-verified people.
Plenty of companies you already deal with already know who you are, thus how old you are. Cell carriers, ISPs, banks, stock brokerages, utility companies, and so on. It would be much more secure, done properly, for a service like this to provide a simple “yes/no” answer to the age question.
That would resemble a zero-knowledge solution yes
Best our corporate dictatorships can offer is requiring you to surgically implant a microchip into your brainstem. Everyone without the chip will be classified as woke, and cleansed by the AI killbots on judgement day.
All heil skkkynet.
Your point of view: We have so many fascists in reality, why couldn’t we tolerate some fascism on the internet?
Do you also think age restrictions in real life is fascism?
Some of them are.
Care to elaborate which you think are fascist?
Regarding age verification I definitely think that things we generally don’t allow kids access to in real life i would make sense to age restrict online as well. Something like gambling comes to mind, and I wouldn’t personally consider that a fascist action to limit.
Or — just make it easier for parents to install filters for their kids??
It’s already easy as fuck. Most patents just don’t bother. The mandates should be on ISPs and cell carriers to provide network-level filtering. I filter adult sites on my home network and there’s no getting around that without cracking the password on the service or factory resetting the gateway.
How old are you ? If i may ask.
Old enough
Deestan@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Zero-knowledge proofs are a good concept. They’ve been possible for a long, long time, and allow age check without surveillance.
So why are they not being used? Because age check is just a cover. These people want to do surveillance, not protect kids.
So it’s a good counter. Want age check? Do it like this. Oh, you don’t want it that way? Why not, pray?
Whether it works (it has, previously) or not (as with the current bullshit from the US), it does bring to the public debate that this is unnecessary surveillance.
Kissaki@feddit.org 2 hours ago
There’s also precedent you can point to. Germans had implemented a reasonable system of digital identification and (seperable) condition confirmation (age gate).