Comment on Datacenters in space are a terrible, horrible, no good idea.
Krunchiebro@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
The real issue with space-based data centers isn’t just whether they’re a “bad idea” from an engineering perspective; it’s that they represent the ultimate transition toward a vertically integrated, unregulated monopoly. While everyone is focused on the technical hurdles, we need to look at who actually benefits from this shift. For someone like Elon Musk, this isn’t just a project—it’s a way to own the entire global internet stack. Because he owns the “truck” (SpaceX) and the “road” (Starlink), he can launch and link these data centers essentially for free. This creates a market that is so tightly locked into one ecosystem that it can never be challenged by a terrestrial competitor.
From a purely operational standpoint, space turns every earthly liability into a superpower. Data centers on the ground are a nightmare of land taxes, massive water consumption for cooling, and constant strain on local power grids. In orbit, those costs vanish. Heat is radiated into the vacuum for free, and solar power is available 24/7 without weather or night cycles getting in the way. Even the physical security is inherently top-notch because the hardware is literally unreachable. When you combine that with a mesh network like Starlink, the need for laying fiber lines disappears entirely. The user just needs an antenna, and the “gatekeeper” handles everything else in the sky.
The terrifying downside is that this creates a jurisdictional black hole. If a server is orbiting 500km above the Earth, whose laws actually apply to the data stored on it? We’re talking about a “gated community” where the ownership, pricing, surveillance policies, and privacy standards are all controlled by a single entity with zero competition or government oversight.
Once we stop building ground infrastructure and rely solely on the “space cloud,” we lose all leverage. It’s an engineering miracle for the person who owns it, but it’s a democratic nightmare for the rest of us. It’s not just a bad idea; it’s the construction of a digital kingdom that sits physically and legally beyond our reach.
Heat is radiated into the vacuum for fre
When you combine that with a mesh network like Starlink, the need for laying fiber lines disappears entirely
Citation needed.
And on water usage, I will point out that gas generators and evaporative cooling are only used because other methods (geothermal, big radiators, heatpumps) are somewhat more expensive.
We already radiate heat away just fine in space, it’s just a matter of how much space do you need to use to do it and all the implications of what that would mean for any given satellite. I wouldn’t call it free, because you need the hardware to do it and the extra weight reduces the payload capacity of whatever you’re sending up, but we can do it.
Starlink also uses laser links to talk to each other which these satellites would also use. So you go up from land, bounce around with lasers in space until you’re close to your ground station, then come back to earth and route to your home.
Fiber is still the better option on land if you can get it there, but there are a lot of places it’s never going to get laid.
Plugging it into this formula:
projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/heatrad.php
I get a circular radiator at least a kilometer wide, assuming the radiator is quite efficient, a rather modest datacenter, and very hot coolant (70C).
…Realistically, the coolant temperature would need to be much lower, and dissipate much more, so the area gets very large real quick.
I cannot emphasize how expensive a functional 2km+ radiator would be in space. It’s mind bogglingly expensive.
For 100kW? I’m not going to try and figure things out from that massive site.
Thoughts?
Pardon my potential ignorance, but I’m under the assumption that radiating heat in vacuum is NOT easy. Normally, heat escapes from sources into the surrounding atmosphere, whereas in space, only radiant heat (IR?) can bleed off into vacuum. The conductive heat from, say, a cycling loop of water still needs a radiator that vents into surrounding volume. Without atmosphere, radiators can’t conduct efficiently, right?
Please set me straight if possible.
I’m no expert, but this is my understanding as well.
These are my thoughts https://distantprovince.by/posts/its-rude-to-show-ai-output-to-people/
Your thoughts were really well written. I’m glad you took the time to explain your viewpoints organically instead of taking an easy way out to avoid having to do it yourself.
How about this for what my post was trying to say…
It’s a good idea to the person who can pull it off. It will be highly profitable and they will monopolize that ecosystem. For the rest of us, if this were ever to become adopted wide spread, it has the potential to make something that normal people can no longer compete with and can’t easily avoid (assuming it is significantly subsidized initially to offset cost and get users to adopt it)
I’m no expert, but I feel like a data center in space is a super niche use case. Bandwidth seems like it would be a major issue. Heat seems like it would as well. And as you said, jurisdiction would be a problem that many businesses wouldn’t necessarily want to contend with.
While the devices are difficult to get to physically, should an adversarial state actor send something up, it’s not like we could stop them from accessing the devices in a way we could if they were within the borders of a country. They’re harder to reach for smaller adversaries, and significantly easier for bigger ones. Not to mention significantly harder for us to repair if something goes wrong.
I’m not saying data centers in space are a bad idea in general, but I am not seeing a huge benefit to them right now.
0x0@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
Is it though?
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Granted I never made it further than freshman level physics in college but doesn’t heat needs a media to radiate away. Otherwise it just stays in place? So there would be nothing to move the heat away from installation? The ISS uses these big radiators the emit the waste heat as infrared light. That seems like a plausible method to exhaust waste heat. But I don’t have any clue if that can scale up to the level of a huge data center compared to the systems on the ISS
ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
Heat is energy as “vibration of molecules”. It spreads to adjacent molecules by conduction, unless we have other interesting things going on. Easy stuff.
Vacuum is the absence of molecules to conduct heat to.
Wait…
cammoblammo@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Well, it can also radiate away in the form of EM radiation, typically infrared. That takes time though.