Comment on AI is the digital equivalent of an atom bomb. You can refuse it but you can't prevent others from using it... and there may be dire consequences if only the worst people have it.

BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Sleerk@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The danger isn’t just bad art, and only thinking of genAI is dangerous. It’s about how it’s being woven into the systems that manage us. It can already analyze years of a person’s digital activity to make automated judgments on employment or detect “wrongthink” in political contexts. We’re essentially building an invisible bureaucracy that can categorize and penalize people at a scale no human could ever audit. And do so at speed an efficiency that not even a whole department of humans could ever compete with. That’s the atom bomb.

  Algorithmic internet is already a horrible problem and AI can make it worse.

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  • Apytele@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah I’m worried about them a) creating botnets that simulate grassroots political movements b) as this user said, the joke about everybody having their own government agent was absurd because that level of attention given to and individuals activity was impossible. That’s about to be a lot less impossible.

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• Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The people who warn about AI risk are not worried about GenAI but AGI.

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  • dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I warn about AI. I don’t care about AGI (yet) because we are far from it.

    I’m worried about (in no particular order):

    • Software companies amassing technical debt because AI-generated code gets used without proper review
    • Massive security problems in critical infrastructure, for the exact same reason
    • Cost savings being used to make the rich richer while the people who used to do the work are just fired
    • Companies forcing AI into every single product even if it doesn’t make sense, just to make their shareholders happy
    • Rapidly increasing prices of RAM, SSDs, HDDs, graphics cards and consequently pretty much all electronic devices
    • The environmental impact because companies would rather build new power plants than optimize AI for efficiency
    • A lack of education about the limitations of current implementations. People tend to feed every question they have into ChatGPT and trust the results even when they’re completely incorrect
    • The inherent privacy nightmare that comes from funneling that much data into a centralized service

    Nothing about this is small or cute.

    I would be totally fine with something that can run locally on my laptop without cooking it and doubling my energy bill. Also an economy where productivity gains benefit the workers, not the CEO. If I can do the same work in half the time, let me have the rest of the day off at full pay instead of firing half your staff.

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    • Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Nothing about this is small or cute.

      Compared to AGI it is. We don’t know how far away we are from creating it. We can only speculate.

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      • dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Compared to AGI it is.

        The same way the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombs are small and cute compared to a modern hydrogen bomb…

        If we don’t solve the AI problems we already have, there is no point speculating about AGI because our lives will be unbearable long before it arrives.

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      • ell1e@leminal.space ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        AGI talk seems for now to be merely hype to get investors.

        LLMs seem likely to be dead end for any logical thought: forbes.com/…/intelligence-illusion-what-apples-ai… This means at the end of the day you just get a sloppy illusion with no useful coherence as soon as it exceeds the complexity of a literal lazy copy&paste job: fortune.com/…/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai…

        There is currently no technological innovation to fix this. Instead, AI progress seems to be stalling: futurism.com/…/experts-concerned-ai-progress-wall

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    • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hey! They also destroy communities by forcing them to pay for infrastructure upgrades while the companies get tax holidays in return for a bunch of jobs that only last 2 years during the construction phase and only add about 25-50 permanent jobs to the local economy long term.

      Let’s also not forget bringing back mothballed coal plants instead of building new ones.

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  • BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    AGI is fake

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    • DScratch@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I don’t think AGI is fake, conceptually. Humans are just meat-based computers. Eventually we will build something of comparable power and efficiency.

      However, LLMs don’t seem like a viable path to AGI imo.

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      • BigTuffAl@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        We disagree about genies being real (they are not) so don’t worry about expressing or defending your points further.

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  • verdigris@lemmy.ml ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah no only people who don’t understand the tech are worried about AGI. There is zero evidence to suggest that we’re anywhere on the right path to develop it. The chatbots are not intelligent, they are just a big bag of all the data the trainers could scrape and an algorithm to pull things out of that bag in a way that humans like.

    Actual AGI would require us to understand how consciousness works. We don’t at all.

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    • Iconoclast@feddit.uk ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Where does it say that AGI needs to be consciouss?

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      • verdigris@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The general definition.

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• HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I don’t see anything in what the op wrote suggesting ai is useful.

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• Lemming6969@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You’re saying this as if no progress is being made. Shit is scary. They’re researching at an alarming pace how to eliminate thought-based work, and only a few years in they are like maybe a third or halfway there.

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Theres a weird quirk of AI haters who can only see the flaws and cant see how incredible its got out of nowhere. Like yes its got limits and problems and it may never be actually truly useful, but compare what we have now to what we had 10 years ago…whats it gonna be in another 10?

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    • ell1e@leminal.space ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      LLMs are proven to be a dead end for any logical thought: forbes.com/…/intelligence-illusion-what-apples-ai… This means at the end of the day you just get a sloppy illusion with no useful coherence as soon as it exceeds the complexity of a literal lazy copy&paste job: fortune.com/…/mit-report-95-percent-generative-ai…

      There is currently no technological innovation to fix this. Instead, AI progress seems to be stalling: futurism.com/…/experts-concerned-ai-progress-wall

      Therefore, it’s not naive to assume it may go nowhere until proven otherwise.

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• bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Somewhere on TPB

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