Comment on Without hierarchies/authority figures, the bootlickers would be totally lost. 🤠

ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• galaxy_nova@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This isn’t an excuse they’re just weak. Many have authoritarian fathers or parents and come out vowing to never be like that or support that behavior.

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  • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Those ones often found better role models or support groups outside the home, such as friends, teachers, etc.

    The ones who don’t find that have far less opportunity to experience the growth required to break the cycle.

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  • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’re the ones who don’t.

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    • BurgerBaron@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think they’re born weak too, but both things can be explanations without it being an excuse.

      Small town lifer here, the worst children I knew grew up very predictably. IMO, most people don’t really change much at all with age.

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Everyone is born weak, what kind of statement is that? Babies are not strong.

        Who a person becomes as an adult is a product of their development throughout their formative years. There are many factors in that, so it’s far more complex than simple linear correlations, but overall having a shitty upbringing deeply contributes to a person’s likelihood of turning out shitty.

        The cycle breakers who overcome it do in spite of it all, and are the exceptions rather than the rule. They also likely found support in other areas of their life whether that’s through friends, councilors, mentors, therapists, teachers, or what have you.

        But someone who found none of those refuges would have extreme difficulty overcoming patterns ingrained through upwards of two decades of narcissistic abuse and emotional neglect starting from infancy.

        It’s not because they were “born flawed,” and that’s a very problematic assumption. It’s also essentialist, so not very post-modern of you.

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      • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They don’t, sadly, and what makes it worse is the endless amounts of religious indoctrination and bullshit media constantly feeding us the narrative that people in general grow and learn over time and become better people, and that sentiment has been internalized at every possible level of society at large, but (as a general rule, nothing is universal) things couldn’t be further from the truth.

        I’m glad my Pop is a badass and taught me _how_to think and not what to think.

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