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• LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  This is like saying it’s bad to fight for the abolition of the Reichskommissariats.

  They’re a genocide defender from the Finnish instance, they might actually think that.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I love how you guys call me a “genocide defender” after I’ve stated so many times that Netanyahu and everybody responsible for the genocide should be tried and eliminated. :D

    You’re exactly like MAGA - a fundamentalist who believes that if someone isn’t 100% committed to ALL tenets of your cause, they’re a traitor and an enemy. This tribalism is pathetic and a cancer on our society.

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    • agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Ok but you don’t reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide. This is like saying you’re anti-genocide but you support the US’s right to exist.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Ok but you don’t reject the Israeli State. Which was founded on a genocide

        I disagree here.

        Palestinians and Israelites lived in the region for - literally - thousands of years, but neither had a nation. The exact same resolution that established Israel, also established Palestine, and that happened after the “civil war” between them. It wasn’t genocide, it was a ham-fisted attempt at stopping a genocide, because both parties wanted to eliminate the other.

        Do I agree to all Israel’s policies, including the occupation of West Bank and Gaza? Absolutely not. Do I agree that the way these two nations were established was correct? Absolutely not.

        But this is what they got, and they need to learn to live with it. Just like Qatar did. Or Yemen. Or Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and Jordan, etc. They were all established by the colonial powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, they were all created by moronic Europeans who divided the land based off of oil reserves, and not history, culture, or religion. But - somehow - you don’t see Qatar fighting Bahrain non stop, or Emirates bombing the Saudis.

        This is like saying you’re anti-genocide but you support the US’s right to exist.

        I’m against going “ooh, but historically X should be Y”. What’s the historical state you want to turn back the borders to? Should Poland stop existing because we’re turning back time to the 18th century? Are we going back to 19th century, where Ukraine was under the russian boot? What is the “correct” state of the world’s borders, in your opinion?

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    • LeninWeave@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I love how you guys call me a “genocide defender” after I’ve stated so many times that Netanyahu and everybody responsible for the genocide should be tried and eliminated. :D

      You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing? This genocide is inherent to the state of “Israel”, which is a settler colony. If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

      You’re exactly like MAGA - a fundamentalist who believes that if someone isn’t 100% committed to ALL tenets of your cause, they’re a traitor and an enemy. This tribalism is pathetic and a cancer on our society.

      No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because they are.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You think this is because of Netanyahu and that this genocide is a recent thing?

        Yes, the genocide is a recent thing considering the Palestinian population has been steadily growing, while their culture was not in any danger of being wiped out.

        This genocide is inherent to the state of “Israel”, which is a settler colony. If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

        Yeah, yeah, yeah, they’re out to get you right after they’ve finished eating their newborn babies. WTF are you smoking,

        If you believe “Israel” should exist, you are a genocide defender.

        You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what “genocide” means.

        Funnily enough - YOU are a proponent of genocide, if you believe the Israelites should have their nationality removed. That’s literally one of the defining aspects of a genocide.

        No, I just think people who think colonialism is acceptable are enemies. Because they are.

        I don’t defend colonialism >as defined in real life<. It’s not what you consider to be “colonialism”, but that’s just because you’re a fundamentalist and an extremist.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You are defending genocide; you are a genocide defender.

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      • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Oh! That’s a great example!

        Show me on the map which countries have partitioned taken over Germany’s lands after WW2!

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• Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  You mean the colony established over the legitimate Palestinian State?

  1. Palestinian State didn’t exist before the very same resolution that created Israel. It was the Palestinian Region of the Ottoman Empire. It’s like calling people living in the Alps “Alpians” and stating that “the French and the Swiss colonised the legitimate Alpian State”.
  2. Israelites, just like Palestinians, have a historical claim to that territory. If you firmly believe that they should not have any part of it - where would you place them?

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  • agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The Palestinian people are a people who have lived in that region for hundreds of years, just because they were previously occupied by Ottomans doesn’t mean there’s no material basis for the nation of Palestine being present in the region. The Jews like the Roma are a stateless nation and we do not need a state. Further, Jews have remained present in Palestine and have peacefully coexisted with them, there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t be represented under a Palestinian state. Palestinians themselves, were decedents of the Ancient Israelites who converted to Islam. Aggression between the two groups only started when a genocidal settler colony began using our name, the Jewish People, to justify their actions.

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    • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The Palestinian people are a people who have lived in that region for hundreds of years, just because they were previously occupied by Ottomans doesn’t mean there’s no material basis for the nation of Palestine being present in the region.

      So, exactly like Israelites? Good to see that you actually agree with them having a right to a nation state!

      The Jews like the Roma are a stateless nation

      1. Yeah, just like Palestinians were, up until around 1947. 1918 if you count Mandatory Palestine.

      Further, Jews have remained present in Palestine and have peacefully coexisted with them, there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t be represented under a Palestinian state

      Well, if you ignore all historical data that has very clearly shown Jews and Israelites being persecuted in the region, which was the region for them leaving it in large enough numbers to be considered a stateless nation like the Roma - yeah, then you’re absolutely correct.

      Aggression between the two groups only started when a genocidal settler colony began using our name, the Jewish People, to justify their actions.

      Again, you’d be correct if you ignore the entirety of the history of the region. The persecution of Israelites started around 700 BCE, mate.

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      • agentant@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I really don’t need some kkkrakkker ass fucking Finn to lecture me about my own people’s history just so they can perpetrate the antisemitic correlation of my people to a fucking genocide. So back to Sieg Heiling the statue of Simo The Jew Slayer erected in your town plaza because your people never forgave the Soviets for beating them and their nazi allies in the Second World War.

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