Comment on Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's Zionist Bar Problem

Magnum@infosec.pub ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨40⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  It’s not weird, its’ just that this is how cowards and aspiring despots deal with things. You don’t address them, or let them be seen/heard, you silence them.

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• Salamence@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Im sorry how is making an instance vote a “weird authoritarian way of dealing with stuff”? Or is authoritarism when someone does something you dont agree with?

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  • Magnum@infosec.pub ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Go to their matrix channels, they’re throwing around ACAB, generalizing people and if you don’t support nuking israel, you will be banned for supporting the genocide. There is no debate, there is no discussion its a hive that moves into a certain direction and if you don’t you are an outcast. Words do still mean things and acting like you can’t govern democratically and authoritarian at the same time makes no sense.

    Also acting like every community on feddit.org is a genocide supporting shithole is just crazy. The fediverse lives from its interoperability across the knots. I am a grown ass adult, I don’t need DB0 to make the moral decision for me with whom I can interact and with whom I can not. What I think is quite ironic, is the fact that even though the instance is “anarchistic”, everyone is licking the boots of the governing authority pretty good. I guess you either die a hero or live long enough to become a power tripping bastard yourself.

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    • thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      and if you don’t support nuking israel, you will be banned for supporting the genocide.

      Based Instance waow-based

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  • muelltonne@feddit.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The issue starts beforehand. It’s easy to get an instance vote to agree with you if you ban and insult everybody on your instance who is not agreeing with you. That works exactly like those voter registration purges the Trump admin is doing.

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    • 7101334@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s easy to get an instance vote to agree with you if you ban and insult everybody on your instance who is not agreeing with you. That works exactly like those voter registration purges the Trump admin is doing.

      Except they are not banning “everybody on [their] instance who is not agreeing with [them]”, they are banning Zionazis and their symps.

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    • thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh nooo, not the poor dbzer0 zionist users, who lost the previous vote to 85% of the instance, thats just like the Maga

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      • muelltonne@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Thanks for linking that, that proves my point. If you have banned all “pro-zionist users” (whatever that is), it is no surprise that the next vote for banning a “pro-zionist instance” will also go succeed. Let’s have another vote in a few weeks proposing to ban all users who were against banning that “pro-zionist instance”! Democracy at work!

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• comfy@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Just ban everything and everyone you don’t agree with.

  They were specific about what they didn’t agree with: Authoritarianism.

  And if they don’t want to tolerate guests from an instance that allows Zionism, then good. Any feddit.org members who think their admins’ permissiveness is tolerable are complicit in the promotion of Zionism, even if they aren’t intentionally complicit. Yes, hanging around with pro-genocide people should earn punishment, such as ostracization until they stop hanging around pro-genocide people. It’s a social media account on the Fediverse, switching isn’t difficult.

  We did the same thing to Wolfballs, until their admin closed the instance because it was filled with literal neo-Nazis calling the admin a ‘race-traitor’. Tolerating every belief is utopian, pointless and self-destructive.

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  • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Basically, when you tolerate the intolerant, tolerance dies. You need social rules to maintain the order, that means some beliefs need to be culled by kicking out or silencing those who are dangerous.

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• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s authoritarian to do direct democracy? OK then, I guess words mean nothing anymore.

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  • Magnum@infosec.pub ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The vote itself is not. This is not just about this single vote.

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    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What is it about then?

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• mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Would you allow nazism in the fediverse?

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  • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨35⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    If we don’t allow Nazis because they are hateful and violent, why should we allow hateful and violent communists/socialists/anarchists?

    Is it the hate and violence we should ban? Why is a Nazi calling to kill non-whites radically worse than a communist calling for the death of non-communists?

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    • mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨26⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      We shouldn’t allow people defending morally wrong stuffs that goes to all the ideological spectrum.Now answer the question would you allow supremacist and genocidal ideologies in the platforms you use?

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• Riverside@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t particularly love db0 as a mainly hexbear user, but this is ridiculous. They did an absolutely gorgeous move by democratically voting to defed from Zionist instances, and you call that authoritarian. Defense against fascists is not authoritarian, it’s literally the opposite.

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  • thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    to the saurkraut, to be against genocide is a form of authoritarism germany-cool

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• lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s literally the best and fairest way to deal with that kind of stuff here. No risky permissivity, no manhunts / withchunts, no putting the onus on other people. db0 as an instance is weird for a lot of thigs, but honestly, compared to the rest of the world, not on that.

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• irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There was a vote for it though. Any user right now could open a vote to refederate.

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• seawoowaes@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  They really lost the plot when they joined the tankie triad.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    How can it be a triad if there are 4 🤓

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    • seawoowaes@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      dont send me selfies

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I don’t wear glasses, actually.

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