Graphene OS
Comment on FBI Couldn’t Get into WaPo Reporter’s iPhone Because It Had Lockdown Mode Enabled
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Best advertisement I’ve heard for an iPhone ever. Now that Android moving to the same walled garden business model…
hateisreality@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Android phones have lockdown mode too. Hold the power button to show the shutdown menu and click lockdown.
BanMe@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They’re not the same. Android lockdown is a temporary lock screen state. iOS lockdown is a full OS hardening, affects the way the phone operates full-time.
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
Ah, my bad. I looked it up and while Android does have an analog to what iOS calls “lockdown”, Android uses different terminology for it, since “Lockdown” is, as you said, lock the lockscreen to be password/pin-only (which would still be a reasonable approach before being forced to turn over your phone to somebody since those are things that are harder to be compelled to provide).
Android’s version of iOS “Lockdown” is called “Advanced Protection Mode”.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Having it and it working as well are two different things. historically Apple has been ahead in security that can slow down or stop law enforcement. And before before you jump to the same conclusions as someone else, I never have owned an iPhone, nor wanted to.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
That’s incorrect. Google’s Android has several industry leading security features the iPhone doesn’t support.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
joke on you! google’s recent requirement is that all phone vendors make the power button open an AI menu instead of the shutdown menu! on most phones it can be fixed, but it’s often hidden very deep in the settings.
Pxtl@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
I’d forgotten because the first thing I did when that rolled out was revert it so long-press on the power button was the power menu. IIRC the default is like long-press-power-and-volume-up or some garbage like that.
Lyubo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
AI will take as to the future shit 🤣 You: Hey Google (or the hell the new assistant names are), I’m beening arrested could you lock donw my phone!" The bot: Sorry, I couldn’t get that. connecting to the ChatGPT/ Gemini servers
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
This is more of “disable face ID” type of thing rather than “lockdown”
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You can lockdown an Android phone too? At least I can on my Pixel 8a.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
That is a misnomer. The android’s “lockdown” is equivalent of on an iPhone pressing power button + up button to bring up the power menu which immediately disables biometrics. It only disables biometrics, doesn’t really “hardens” the phone in anyway.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
And the FBI can’t get in? I doubt that.
kaiyo@piefed.ca 2 days ago
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
If someone is worried about the FBI I don’t think that putting trust in a US company who’s CEO has very close ties to the current US administration is a wise idea.
I’d be seeking hardware to run an OS like GrapheneOS. Going with iOS in the US seems as wise as someone in China going with Xiaomi if they are trying to go under the radar of China’s Ministry of State Security.
0x0@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
I’d be seeking hardware to run an OS like GrapheneOS.
So the hardware made by the other company who’s CEO has very close ties to the current US administration.
Graphene looks promising but restricting it to Pixels kinda kills it for me.
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Under Kash Patel, I’d be surprised if the FBI could unlock a Mime’s door, let alone a phone.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Haha, very true. Loyalty over competency.
dan@upvote.au 2 days ago
Even if you turned the phone off? It should be secure on a cold boot before entering the password, as nothing is unencrypted yet.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You know, I have not kept up. Things may have improved recently. But historically there’s always been flaws in the security.
Lyubo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
GrapheneOS is not the ordinary Android phone.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Yes, that’s advertising allright.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 days ago
GrapheneOS is ~10x more private and secure than iOS.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I want a phone, not a hobby.
Attacker94@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Discounting some minor comparability issues, the process just requires a computer, an internet connection, a cable, and the ability to read through a couple paragraphs of instruction.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m talking about daily use. I have a good friend, we’ve both been computer nerds since The Apple II era, we both used to put custom roms on our android phones, we’re avid self hosters, etc… He recently switched to Graphene and wants to switch back to something that’s less of a pain. His complaints are pretty much the reason I haven’t switched.
DelightfullyDivisive@discuss.online 2 days ago
I’m an experienced technologist (a software engineer for over 30 years), I used to regularly install CyanogenMod on my phones. While I didn’t find the graphene OS installation to be particularly difficult, I did find actually using it to be too much of a challenge to live with every day. The biggest single problem I can recall is that I could not do any group SMS texts. Many searches and attempts at fixes later, I realized that it was a known bug that for reasons unknown did not seem to affect all users. There were a number of minor annoyances in addition to that bug.
That may reflect more on how Google has locked down things on the pixel phones, or other stuff they’ve done to keep things as proprietary as possible in their software and devices. I switched back because it wasn’t worth the hassle to me.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
My friend tried using it last year and he started getting some super annoying RCS issues that caused him to switch back to iPhone. He was very invested in using graphene but it became too much.
triptrapper@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ve been thinking about it for a long time. Does the installation wipe everything stored on the phone? I don’t mind installing apps individually, just wondering about files and photos. Also can I run Action Launcher on Graphene?
StitchInTime@piefed.social 2 days ago
Well well well, look who likes using banking apps and tap-to-pay.
biofaust@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I have GrapheneOS and use banking apps and tap-to-pay on a daily basis.
I am not in the US, though.
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
All of my banking apps work in Graphene, but yes, some banks apps don’t work, which is why there’s published lists so you can check before flashing.
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
It’s not a hobby.
Don’t confuse Graphene with a tinker box, or some ROM you once rooted.
It’s a professionally polished and very secure fork of Android.
There are some minor limitations with a handful apps that can’t pass their internal security checks, but there’s lists for them that you can check to see if any are a deal breaker for you.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Safely using an insecure device swiftly becomes a hobby, unless you give in to the default experience.
I installed GrapheneOS, installed my apps, and I’m done. If I want to deny telemetry or to set up something like the duress password, it’s one to two taps.
iPhone users, man… stop drinking the fucking punch.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m not an iPhone user. I don’t own an Apple anything and really despise them as a company. Stop making stupid assumptions.
Lyubo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Nowaday is not just iPhone users. Every major company fucks the consumers over and people defend them like it’s their own company. I don’t get it.
extremeboredom@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’ve used GOS daily for years. Your characterization of the OS as a “hobby” could not be further from the truth. After some basic initial configuration, it simply works like any other phone. My bank app works. Every app they told me would not work, works fine. Honestly, I’m beginning to wonder if all this FUD is a result of personal lack of willingness to do the research or something more nefarious like intentional misinformation.
Winged_Hussar@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I was on GrapheneOS for ~6 months as my daily. I agree that for the most part it “just worked”.
However, after the 3rd time RCS messages broke on T-Mobile requiring Google Messages to be reinstalled every 36 hours, I gave up and went back to stock.
If the GrapheneOS devs implement their version of RCS, I’d gladly go back.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Up voting because you made be lol, not because I agree with you. Been on GOS for over a year, it’s not that bad. A few apps don’t work, it’s only slightly inconvenient.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 days ago
That’s not what you said. But since you did, it’s very easy to install and use.
Lyubo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Plugging a cable and clicking 5 buttons isn’t a hobby in my opinion, it’s an excuse. After these 5 clicks is just Android. Every app work great even the “normal” propriety apps including banking app without Google Play Services installed. If you’re not willing to do the least this is why people in America and other countries are hunted like animals right now. It’s easier just to whine and do nothing.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Did a lot of looking into it, step 1 for me was always buy a different phone, or try seeing if a different ROM would work, and make the documentation for others…none of which came out to be 5 clicks, and not knowing if my phone will receive calls is a deal breaker if you actually work.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
come onnnnn
this shit is fun!
Lyubo@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Literary 4 clicks, so hard 😩
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Sigh, how, just how do you quantify that?
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 days ago
sigh you don’t.
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
So your comment is just fanboy bullshit?