They developed the Unreal engine. Not sure how “like Proton” you meant, but it’s used by lots of games and is quite a complex and well-regarded 3D engine.
luthis@lemmy.nz 1 day ago
Has epic games developed anything like Proton? Valve isn’t just a store.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 day ago
DireTech@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Epic makes tons of money off licensing Unreal to developers and have since before their store was a thing.
Proton makes direct zero profit, though it does make Steam the best store for anyone on Linux.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Not sure why “direct profit” is important.
Proton is basic infrastructure for Steam Deck (which runs Linux). Valve has sold millions of units that I doubt would have been sold without Proton. There’s just a ton of games that will never be ported to native Linux.
Proton isn’t only Valve’s doing though. It’s heavily built on top of Wine which is a very mature open source project that has seen extensive leadership and contributions by CodeWeavers.
DireTech@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Epic doesn’t do a single thing that doesn’t directly result in profits. Features are only added off they can derive income from them. Lawsuits are filed so they can take a larger percentage of profits. Even his twitter posts are mainly about him getting a larger cut, when he isn’t defending AI child porn.
Valve is very old school in their ‘keep improving your offering and it will work out’ way. Usually companies like that get bought out and their name run into the ground. It sadly happens in all industries, from Samsonite luggage to BioWare games and even service companies.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
That Whataboutism is Not really relevant to the lawsuit.
Just because they made someone useful to expand their control over the games industry, that you happen to like, doesn’t mean them abusing their monopoly position isn’t still bad.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
>Open source, publicly available tool to aid in Linux adoption
>“some[thing] to expand their control over the games industry”
Found the Sweeney fanboy. Just because Timmy-boy can’t install kernel-level malware on Linux doesn’t mean Gabe Newell is going to use it to conquer the Earth, bud.
sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Steam also places DRM and states in their EULA that you pay to license the title and not own it. Looks like your a Steam fanboy. We shouldn’t be fanboys of anything but simply notice the good and bagld companies do because either way they aren’t our friends
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
Developers place DRM, that’s not s requirement of Steam publishing. Also, 99% of digital stores state you’re only buying a license. That’s a problem with modern society, not Steam.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 hours ago
They demonized all actions of Valve, for the sake of defending Epic, even to the point of painting something that aids Linux adoption across the board as if it were a secretive, locked-down part of Steam’s environment. I pointed out the failure in that. Yeah, totally the same. 🙄
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Why are you acting like there aren’t steam games with additional drm?
ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 22 hours ago
Steam doesn’t require DRM to publish on their platform.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Again with the complete and utter lack of ability to understand that nuance exists, and both can be bad people doing self interested things, and one bad person saying something correct does not mean you agree with everything they stand for just because you agree with the one smart thing.
Like more than one of you are stuck in this moronic binary mindset. It’s pathetic.
lofuw@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
🤡
gens@programming.dev 1 day ago
Wine?
danekrae@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I didn’t know epic games developed that.
wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Wine was never developed by Epic, as far as I know. Wikipedia showed nothing about Epic, not a word.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I think they misspelled “whine”.
That, or they’re saying Proton isn’t Valve’s work alone and that it’s heavily based on WINE. I’m not sure if that’s true, but it’s another way to read that comment.
Feyd@programming.dev 1 day ago
Proton is a combination of technologies. The main ones are wine and dxvk
gens@programming.dev 1 day ago
I never said epic made wine.
Wine is like 99% of proton. Historically it was mostly sposored by Collabora and I think they were doing it so they clould run some windows programs on mac (my memory is fuzzy, was a long time ago).
Valve came later. There were already out-of-tree pathes speciffically for games. The wine team didn’t put those in because they are hacks while wines aim is 100% compatibility with windows.
As those patches grew, stuff like wine-staging emerged that would massage those patches into what the wine project would accept. And even later proton was born (i think from some guys repo, i think valve hired him).
If you want to attribute something to valve, then ACO is a better option. It’s amazing.
I’m just a bit annoyed that nobody praises wine while everybody speaks like it was all valve.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 19 hours ago
I never said epic made wine
You implied it by responding with “Wine?” to the question “WHAT HAS EPIC MADE…” 🤦♂️
IntrusiveThoughts@fedia.io 1 day ago
What do you mean? Isn't Kratos dancing orange justice innovative enough?