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• LeChapeau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  that and Nazi Germany. Or as Orwell said it was… Totalitarianism.

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  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, he was basically warning Socialists off getting in bed with Stalinists and similar regimes just because their causes appeared to align. The cure must not be worse than the disease.

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  • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    i would argue that he saw the soviets as the bigger threat at the time, considering the Nazis got beat a few years beforehand and a lot of the left in the west were fanboying the Soviet Union at the time (1947-1948)

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You are missing the point of the book IMO. The threat is not necessarily external.

      It was pretty easy to see totalitarianism as a dangerous global trend at the time, since it was in Germany, Italy, Spain, Soviet Union, China, Eastern Europe. Apart from Eastern Europe, these countries all “chose” it for themselves.

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      • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I never said anything about the threat coming from the soviets, after all it was never about Russia invading the UK, but rather he modelled the dystopian government based on the inner workings of the Soviet Union, because he witnessed it during his time in Spain before the Stalin aligned republic and the anarchiss split.

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    • Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He was a socialist which contrary to American reactionary rhetoric is incompatible with communism.

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• uis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Modern capitalist Russia is closer to 1984 than Soviet Union. Fuck Putin.

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  • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    no, fundamentally the only thing that really changed is who the inner and outer party is

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    • uis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No. For one SU did not have oligarchs. Also SU had really good(for its time) healthcare and education, while Putin’s mafia closed or defunded few orders of magnitude more hospitals and clinics, than opened, many schools work in 2 shifts, some even 3. UR has party in it’s name, but it lacks ideology. “Steal money here, spend it in the West, luxury for members, misery and poverty for everyone else” hardly counts as one, it is literally description of mafia.

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      • orrk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        For one SU did not have oligarchs. where did the Oligarchs come from? the first wave of oligarchs came from the Russian political elite, basically claiming what was “theirs” during the communist government, now sure, most subsequent Oligarchs came about because Yeltsin and later Putin wanted to strengthen their own supporter base among the oligarchs, but all we are seeing here is what used to happen totally inside the government (because the government was the primary economic power) is now happening in a hybrid approach of government+“market”.

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• szczuroarturo@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Except russians are russians and they eventualy somehow fuck up everything they touch. God forbid they go full on democracy.

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  • JonEFive@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, us Americans have got fucking up democracy covered pretty well.

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