1984 was based on the Soviet Union
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ClumZy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Fuck these tankies man. I’m as leftist as they come and I HATE what these people are doing to the cause. We want healthcare and equal rights, and these loonies are dragging us all down with their fascination for those horrible fascist regimes (it takes 2 braincells to realize the CCP is 1984 incarnate).
orrk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
LeChapeau@lemmy.world 1 year ago
that and Nazi Germany. Or as Orwell said it was… Totalitarianism.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Yeah, he was basically warning Socialists off getting in bed with Stalinists and similar regimes just because their causes appeared to align. The cure must not be worse than the disease.
orrk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
i would argue that he saw the soviets as the bigger threat at the time, considering the Nazis got beat a few years beforehand and a lot of the left in the west were fanboying the Soviet Union at the time (1947-1948)
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You are missing the point of the book IMO. The threat is not necessarily external.
It was pretty easy to see totalitarianism as a dangerous global trend at the time, since it was in Germany, Italy, Spain, Soviet Union, China, Eastern Europe. Apart from Eastern Europe, these countries all “chose” it for themselves.
Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world 1 year ago
He was a socialist which contrary to American reactionary rhetoric is incompatible with communism.
uis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Modern capitalist Russia is closer to 1984 than Soviet Union. Fuck Putin.
orrk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
no, fundamentally the only thing that really changed is who the inner and outer party is
uis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No. For one SU did not have oligarchs. Also SU had really good(for its time) healthcare and education, while Putin’s mafia closed or defunded few orders of magnitude more hospitals and clinics, than opened, many schools work in 2 shifts, some even 3. UR has party in it’s name, but it lacks ideology. “Steal money here, spend it in the West, luxury for members, misery and poverty for everyone else” hardly counts as one, it is literally description of mafia.
szczuroarturo@programming.dev 1 year ago
Except russians are russians and they eventualy somehow fuck up everything they touch. God forbid they go full on democracy.
JonEFive@midwest.social 1 year ago
Yeah, us Americans have got fucking up democracy covered pretty well.
KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You ironically have a post saying that Muslims are culturally terrorists and all Muslims need to fall in line with French cultural authoritarianism. Totally not tankie behavior, just regular normal, “leftist as they come” behavior, right?
You sound like another run of the mill racist, bigoted liberal who wants to smear the leftist label by LARP’ing as one for the sole purpose of attacking leftists.
jcit878@lemmy.world 1 year ago
this thread is just you stalking people and copying their comments. can you do me? maybe the one where i enjoy watching mobiks getting blown up in drone videos, that seemed to upset a few tankies
KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Muslim is not a race, just as Fascism is not a race. The idea that religion deserves special treatment needs to die.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m a progressive who thought I was moderate for the longest time because tankie rhetoric on the left. I fully recognize now though that the tankies are a laughable minority. They’re just a bunch of loud people on the Internet.
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’m at the same time horrified and fascinated by them. I saw a comment that accused NATO of causing he war to “drag on”. When I brought up that Russia could just leave, I got people unironically replying that Ukraine was the aggressor in the war and that it was Ukraine committing genocide and attacks on civilians. I understand that I could be trapped in a western bubble… but really? I didn’t bother asking for a source because I’m sure the only source for that misinformation is the Kremlin. What’s crazy is that you would think the Russian shills would be spread out trying to infect other communities with disinformation, instead they all flock to this echo chamber apparently, so it seems likely that they genuinely believe this stuff.
Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They know it’s bullshit. The United States in this instance is doing the largely correct thing. However historically that hasn’t always been the case. Were usually the ones attacking and destabilizing other countries. South America, Hawaii, the middle east, Korea, Vietnam and on and on. Anyone that opposed US homogene as pushed by wealthy oligarchic fascist throughout American history. Has historically met and unfortunate end.
Realistically in this instance Russia is much closer to what the United States has been historically. Than they are any Ally of leninist regimes. But to leninists. They are the enemy of their enemy and an ally of convenience. Because overall outside of World War II etc. The United States has been the biggest constant enemy to much the rest of the world.