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MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
… the time to do this shit has long been upon us. Who gives a fuck what they can do, until they do it? As an American, I’m begging you, put up or shut-up.
I didn’t vote for the baby in office, and I would gladly suffer to see his toys taken away by the adults.
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
I know better than to beg Europeans and Facts ≠ Opinions, although I am going by the title where it says “Can”, rather than “should”.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 13 hours ago
Well they are cowards, that’s why there are so many “former” colonies. Give it 20 years, Europeans won’t even control their own lands.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 13 hours ago
The people living their in 20 years STILL won’t control their own lands, you mean. If I’m wrong, I might then consider your implication that those people won’t count as Europeans, but to that I would only say “GOOD FOR THEM THEN!”
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I wont suffer from this, but ill gladly watch you and my neighbirs suffer!
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
You’re funny. You think the US isn’t full of people who wouldn’t notice if things got worse on the whole because of how bad they have it already.
The only one proposing its somehow worse that me and my well-to-do neighbors join them and maybe end-up remembering such a basic concept as Class Solidarity is you.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Depends on the neighbor. If they have a trump flag, fuckem. I literally don’t give a shit anymore. “Oh if you say people should suffer the consequences of their actions you’re somehow in favor of collective punishment” is a braindead take that is only used by people trying to get out of the consequences of their actions.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I voted for kamala, and so did my neighbors
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
I held my nose and voted for her. None of my neighbors did. Your sympathy is misplaced.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
I said this in another thread but I’ll say it again, threats are only useful if you hold leverage. If they blow their load, what else can they hold over the heads of the US? They need to threaten, and then if they threat isn’t listened to then they act on it. Doing it now just ensures there’s not much of a punishment left to be dealt, so there’s no reason not to invade. Sure, the economy will collapse, but that would happen either way in the case they act now.
If I hold a knife to you and threaten you with it, you’ll listen. If I just stab you then what reason do you have to listen? Just like nukes, the only use for a threat is in not using it. If you do have to use it then you’ve lost the reason they may have held back.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
No one is proposing they rattle their saber. The scale of the threat has long been too great to bother speaking aloud, and putting it into words instead of action would just be laugable.
Again, the “listened to” or no phase is past the horizon, around the curve and honestly several hills and valleys back in the rear-view mirror. A threat that isn’t followed-through on or is spoken only after you’ll obviously never act isn’t even a threat any more; Its a mark of submission.
Nice job contradicting yourself in that second paragraph though. Let me ask you this: Did Trump bother saying we were going to, could, or “should” abduct Maduro in advance?
Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
Did they make this threat before? I never heard it if they did. Yeah, a threat is only good as long as the other party believes you’re going to act on it, so if they did threaten it before then they should. However, again, this isn’t going to prevent anything, except for making them believe your threats are good. What good will come out of them taking this action? (By this, I don’t mean collapsing the US economy, which will hurt a lot of people. I mean, does it prevent harm.)
I don’t believe I contradicted myself. Could you point out how? I’m not sure how abducting Moduro is related to this. However, I do believe he’s been saying we should remove him for a long time, though I think most people ignored it because it would have been seen as crazy, and gets mixed up with all his other insane ramblings. I don’t know the relevance of this question though.
MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 13 hours ago
Trump didn’t specify how we would remove Maduro in the same way its pointless for Europe to specify exactly how they could or would retaliate. Its more than enough for there to be multiple options to make them all valid when it comes time to say “we warned you”.
Please don’t confuse my enthusiasm for one option that’s been shown to be possible and devestating, for me saying this is the only option Europe should consider. On the contrary, I’m just wishing they would pick an option that matters and run with it already. All they’ve done is show their belly like a submissive dog.
They don’t even appear to care about plausible deniability any more. Arresting Gaza protestors is just such a good, strong-arm look for going against Trump. Fear of Europe must be why so many churches in my area are flying Israeli flags at the moment.