Comment on Bluesky just verified ICE

• beerman595692@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Every Mastodon instance can choose to defederate with truth social

  BlueSky can choose to kick ICE off their platform

  It’s that simple

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• General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Trump being able to clone Mastodon is not the same as letting Trump on Mastodon.social

  The Mastodon devs made a choice in releasing it as open source. They could have decided to pick and chose who is allowed to use it. It was completely foreseeable, that the software would be used for something like Gab or Truth.Social. When they release update, they know that these will also be used by such services.

  This is merely a statement of fact, not criticism. They chose not to exercise power or become arbiters of good and evil. That is laudable.

  Bluesky is a centralized platform and their mods don’t ban Nazis.

  I get it. You feel that tech companies should deny service to bad people. For example, to a government agency acting on behalf of a president elected by a solid majority of the popular vote.

  I agree that the voters got it wrong, but I don’t think that the rich and powerful vetoing voters will lead to good outcomes. Look at medieval Europe. Life got better with democracy, not with a supposedly more just king.

  The tech lord most in line with your ideas is Elon Musk, except that he’s kinda nazi. So, on a purely practical note, it doesn’t seem very likely that tech companies being more political would lessen racism.

  Do you think it would be better if all the billionaires, who are probably mostly non-nazi, were activist like him?

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  • RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    solid majority of the popular vote

    narrow plurality

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s worth pointing out that “lesser of two evils” reasoning is used by both parties. White privileged “libertarians” voted fascist because they felt unrepresented too.

      Every single elected official who isn’t explicitly against FPTP was OK with this outcome. They know about the spoiler effect.

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    • Zoomboingding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Even then it’s highly dubious that it was even a plurality. Vote counts in swing states were HIGHLY irregular and 100% controlled by Musk.

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  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think that tech companies taking a stand on what their employees and/or users believe in is a reasonable thing.

    Idk what the employees of bluesky believe, but I’m fairly familiar with the bay area tech scene and I think that there is a decent chance that the employees would like to take a stand by not providing services to ICE.

    That being said, idk if simply allowing them to have an account is providing services. I think it’s probably better to have govt agencies have verified accounts so people know when things are official statements, even if you disagree with the agency.

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think that tech companies taking a stand on what their employees and/or users believe in is a reasonable thing.

      How would that actually work? Like, you’d have pro-Trump and anti-Trump companies that only employ pro- and anti-Trump employees and only serve pro- and anti-Trump customers? What happens when someone who is basically pro-Trump thinks that ICE goes too far?

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      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s illegal to hire people or refuse to hire people based on political beliefs or affiliation, so you’re not gonna have companies that only employ Trump supporters or employ no Trump supporters. Politics is considered a protected group wrt employment law in the USA and many countries.

        But how would it actually work?
        It’s not like it’s difficult to gauge employee sentiment about ICE. If your employees are strongly against it, then you simply don’t enter the competition for ICE contracts, or you choose to not renew the contracts when they expire.

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    • pglpm@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      taking a stand on what their employees and/or users believe in is a reasonable thing.

      The majority of USA citizens voted for Trump. Why should Bluesky take a stand on what a minority believe in?

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      • deltaspawn0040@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Actually, less than a quarter of citizens voted for him. Less than a 3rd or registered voters.

        Not even half of a half of citizens said they wanted this.

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      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Even if that was true, which it isn’t, a company should reflect the beliefs of its employees and community.

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  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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