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Comment on YSK a US passport card costs $30 and is definitive proof of citizenship. It fits in your wallet like a credit card.

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1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

That’s from the videos that get widely shared.

95% of interactions are gonna be them being dicks but backing off when they realize you’re there legally. The other 5% are gonna be the ones you see.

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lolo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Where do these numbers come from? Internet magic?

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- NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Look here mate, you and I both know there’s probably no empirical evidence whatsoever about this. It’s a heuristic based on observations of how law enforcement works and what people choose to post on the Internet. This is like how people post a picture of a deformed boxed pie they bought at the grocery store to complain about it and then you assume that all pies are deformed. No, people only post the bad ones online to complain about it, but if I were to assert that “at least 80% of pies are fine and not deformed” and you choose to reply with “Where do these numbers come from? internet magic?”, I think you can see the inherent ridiculousness of that reasoning.
  
  I really hate that on the Internet you really have to explain to people that the things they see posted there are almost always the exceptions rather than the rule.
  
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  - Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    There is empirical evidence, tho. We have numbers for how many people ICE has detained, and how many of those have been legal citizens. And it’s a fucking lot.
    
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    NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Yep, I found the evidence. It supports my point of view. I’ll paste it below.
    
    I have managed to create a statistic for this. There are 22,000 agents which work for ICE, although this number was 12,000 prior to Trump’s hiring surge (source). ICE claims they made 26,600 arrests in 2025 (source). This means each agent makes about 2 arrests per year on average at most. So unless you believe that most agents are checking only three or four people a year, this would indicate most people are being let go.
    
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okamiueru@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
There are many ways to be there legally without being a citizen.

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- 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yeah, and if you have a green card or passport with a visa it’s “probably” fine, unless they’re having a bad day or whatever.
  
  I’m not sure about a passport from a visa waiver country though, because no shot ICE agents know that Lithuanians and Singaporeans can be in the US without a visa.
  
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