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Comment on YSK a US passport card costs $30 and is definitive proof of citizenship. It fits in your wallet like a credit card.

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destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

From what I’m seeing, ICE doesn’t give a flying fuck if you have a valid ID or not, they’re still going to collar you. Their policy is literally to fuck around first and find out later.

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1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
That’s from the videos that get widely shared.

95% of interactions are gonna be them being dicks but backing off when they realize you’re there legally. The other 5% are gonna be the ones you see.

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- lolo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Where do these numbers come from? Internet magic?
  
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  - NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Look here mate, you and I both know there’s probably no empirical evidence whatsoever about this. It’s a heuristic based on observations of how law enforcement works and what people choose to post on the Internet. This is like how people post a picture of a deformed boxed pie they bought at the grocery store to complain about it and then you assume that all pies are deformed. No, people only post the bad ones online to complain about it, but if I were to assert that “at least 80% of pies are fine and not deformed” and you choose to reply with “Where do these numbers come from? internet magic?”, I think you can see the inherent ridiculousness of that reasoning.
    
    I really hate that on the Internet you really have to explain to people that the things they see posted there are almost always the exceptions rather than the rule.
    
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    Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    There is empirical evidence, tho. We have numbers for how many people ICE has detained, and how many of those have been legal citizens. And it’s a fucking lot.
    
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- okamiueru@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  There are many ways to be there legally without being a citizen.
  
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  - 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Yeah, and if you have a green card or passport with a visa it’s “probably” fine, unless they’re having a bad day or whatever.
    
    I’m not sure about a passport from a visa waiver country though, because no shot ICE agents know that Lithuanians and Singaporeans can be in the US without a visa.
    
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