I’d love to know where 80% comes from. Because I’m in Minnesota and can see what’s happening on our streets. Where are you getting your info from? You sound soooooo sure of yourself and what you are saying contradicts evidence.
I am not going to lie and say it’s 100% effective. But it most certainly will quickly get you out of ICE’s attention 80% of the time when you are not wanting a confrontation at that time.
lolo@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s a guess without any empirical evidence whatsoever. However, the only reason why you believe it “contradicts evidence” is because nobody ever talks about ICE encounters that go down peacefully. People only ever talk about and post about ICE encounters that are outrageous. So all the encounters you have ever heard of will be ones where someone gets wrongfully arrested/beaten up by agents/etc.
When I saw them, they were checking everyone and arrested 0 people in the time I observed them.
destructdisc@lemmy.world 1 day ago
From what I’m seeing, ICE doesn’t give a flying fuck if you have a valid ID or not, they’re still going to collar you. Their policy is literally to fuck around first and find out later.
1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
That’s from the videos that get widely shared.
95% of interactions are gonna be them being dicks but backing off when they realize you’re there legally. The other 5% are gonna be the ones you see.
lolo@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Where do these numbers come from? Internet magic?
NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Look here mate, you and I both know there’s probably no empirical evidence whatsoever about this. It’s a heuristic based on observations of how law enforcement works and what people choose to post on the Internet. This is like how people post a picture of a deformed boxed pie they bought at the grocery store to complain about it and then you assume that all pies are deformed. No, people only post the bad ones online to complain about it, but if I were to assert that “at least 80% of pies are fine and not deformed” and you choose to reply with “Where do these numbers come from? internet magic?”, I think you can see the inherent ridiculousness of that reasoning.
I really hate that on the Internet you really have to explain to people that the things they see posted there are almost always the exceptions rather than the rule.
okamiueru@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There are many ways to be there legally without being a citizen.
1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Yeah, and if you have a green card or passport with a visa it’s “probably” fine, unless they’re having a bad day or whatever.
I’m not sure about a passport from a visa waiver country though, because no shot ICE agents know that Lithuanians and Singaporeans can be in the US without a visa.