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• WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I have seen people banned with no reason given, just left to wonder what happened…

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  • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yeah, and at least Reddit sent notifications to tell people that their content was removed. Also there’s a modmail allowing people to ask questions. Also a post was merely removed from the community stream, but allowing discussions in it to continue including answers as to why it was removed, rather than deleted entirely and for all eternity, destroying all of the conversations that had taken place therein, even between users unrelated to the person posting that supposedly triggered the removal, i.e. innocent bystanders.

    Lemmy has turned out to be just as if not more authoritarian than Reddit - not to the instance admins tbf but to the individual users. And moreover, the amount of such seems to mainly increase over time, e.g. mod names are now obscured in the modmail even if you go looking into it, and soon Lemmy.ml will become baked into the codebase as the source of new communities, giving it veto power if it wants a new instance to not sign up to anything defederated from lemmy.ml. Centralized, authoritarian control is not what most of us signed up for when attempting to flee Reddit.

    Fortunately PieFed is fighting that trend mightily, e.g. allowing democratization of moderation features. Though even PieFed does not send a notification when someone is banned or their content removed (in this case though likely just low priority as it is still being developed, at a much quicker pace than Lemmy, rather than with lemmy.ml being an actual choice to do things a certain way).

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    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I recently noticed that when a user gets banned, all of their posts and associated threads also get removed but with no notice.

      I’ve also seen entire discussions removed because they included some heated words, despite also including useful discussion or even one sided rebuttals. While I’m under no illusion that things can get solved here, it’s annoying to see shit get deleted just because someone got upset. Even if there isn’t anything useful in comments, it breaks up the discussion because any replies have lost context.

      IMO if it’s a disruptive user, ban them, but leave the evidence of their disruption up, unless it was spam or the kind of illegal shit that can get anyone who sees it in trouble.

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      • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Hehe, check out one of PieFed’s latest new features: Deleted posts and their comments can still be read. Mods can either delete entirely (if as you say illegal or some shit) or simply remove from the normal display from the community thread, but leaving the discussion intact - e.g. answers to questions that people would like to preserve, even when the OP deletes their own post.

        In short, each person is the owner of their “own” content - like a question asked to a question community - but the resulting answers and discussion do not belong to them, but rather to the individuals who offered those answers in good faith, hence are now allowed to remain (it takes active participation i.e. it is opt-in, but now it is an option whereas before it was not).

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    • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      We can create our own Lemmy instances though, and with piefed, we are on our way to a better Reddit!

      And with America rouge, Reddit will go up in a Mushroom cloud anyway.

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      • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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