Then don’t ever say anything that someone might disagree with or…
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WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 days ago
This is quite concerning indeed.
We should start by being better at retaining what we already have.
Every person is valuable now.
OpenStars@piefed.social 6 days ago
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 days ago
I have seen people banned with no reason given, just left to wonder what happened…
OpenStars@piefed.social 6 days ago
Yeah, and at least Reddit sent notifications to tell people that their content was removed. Also there’s a modmail allowing people to ask questions. Also a post was merely removed from the community stream, but allowing discussions in it to continue including answers as to why it was removed, rather than deleted entirely and for all eternity, destroying all of the conversations that had taken place therein, even between users unrelated to the person posting that supposedly triggered the removal, i.e. innocent bystanders.
Lemmy has turned out to be just as if not more authoritarian than Reddit - not to the instance admins tbf but to the individual users. And moreover, the amount of such seems to mainly increase over time, e.g. mod names are now obscured in the modmail even if you go looking into it, and soon Lemmy.ml will become baked into the codebase as the source of new communities, giving it veto power if it wants a new instance to not sign up to anything defederated from lemmy.ml. Centralized, authoritarian control is not what most of us signed up for when attempting to flee Reddit.
Fortunately PieFed is fighting that trend mightily, e.g. allowing democratization of moderation features. Though even PieFed does not send a notification when someone is banned or their content removed (in this case though likely just low priority as it is still being developed, at a much quicker pace than Lemmy, rather than with lemmy.ml being an actual choice to do things a certain way).
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I recently noticed that when a user gets banned, all of their posts and associated threads also get removed but with no notice.
I’ve also seen entire discussions removed because they included some heated words, despite also including useful discussion or even one sided rebuttals. While I’m under no illusion that things can get solved here, it’s annoying to see shit get deleted just because someone got upset. Even if there isn’t anything useful in comments, it breaks up the discussion because any replies have lost context.
IMO if it’s a disruptive user, ban them, but leave the evidence of their disruption up, unless it was spam or the kind of illegal shit that can get anyone who sees it in trouble.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 days ago
We can create our own Lemmy instances though, and with piefed, we are on our way to a better Reddit!
And with America rouge, Reddit will go up in a Mushroom cloud anyway.
ConstantPain@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I’m worried that mods here are starting to abuse their power as have happened on Reddit and have seen some instances of it. A lot of people fled Reddit because of it and will not stick around for the same bullshit here.
So making mechanisms to prevent this kind of behavior must be a priority.
OpenStars@piefed.social 6 days ago
Much progress has already been made.
In Lemmy, the federated nature offers freedom not so much to the end user but to instance admins who can pack up and move or even make changes to the codebase rather than simply blindly deploy each new version.
PieFed takes this several additional notches forward by allowing democratization of moderation, e.g. rather than a community making it a rule to allow “no USA politics”, instead users can turn on their own keyword filters, or a much gentler rule of “USA politics must use the USA community flair”, thereby allowing the decision to remain in the hands of the end-users rather than one mod team ruling them all.