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Posted as a reply because this will certainly upset many but…

On the instance wars:

I constantly see nonsense about the horrors of the ‘.ML’ instance, and ‘hexbear’, primarily from ‘Lemmy.world’ users, but I have never once actually come across these horrors.

Hexbear is just a troll instance, ala ‘cumtown’.

To an outside observer, ‘.world’ users seem to be US propagandists intent on wrecking the platform. “Tankies this, cowbee that”, when I’ve never seen a cowbee post that wasn’t entirely reasonable.

And the vast majority of ‘tankies’ are just people who criticise the US rightfully while not sharing the same breathe to criticize China. Ngl, fuck Russia, the US and Russia are the greatest evils. China is not anywhere near the same level. You can praise elements of a foreign state without being a ‘tankie’.

It’s the same thought terminating cliche cult bullshit that all right wingers do. And it seems to come from Americans being upset their myopic views aren’t babied by people who literally specifically went to an instance to avoid them?

Idk I’m not a user of any of the three, but I’ve only ever had an issue with lemmy.world users in the past, as a UK citizen who is far from a tankie.

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OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If you’ve ever actually discoursed with Cowbee, note how they ignore the large majority of what you say and hyper-focus exclusively on the talking points that they are trying to convey. It’s not a “conversation”, it is evangelism.

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- Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I don’t really think this is true, I engage with the entirety of what people say. As far as I know, you have Lemmy.ml blocked on your piefed account, and we haven’t interacted in years, so I’m not sure where you’re getting this idea from.
  
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- thoro@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  It’s not a “conversation”, it is evangelism.
  
  A bit ironic from the piefed evangelist.
  
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- Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  note how they ignore the large majority of what you say and hyper-focus exclusively on the talking points that they are trying to convey
  
  Thats like 9 out of 10 debates on Lemmy regardless of community. Everyone thinks they are the exception.
  
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Skavau@piefed.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Well, you wouldn’t come across hexbear or lemmygrad on pawb.social because it looks like your instance is defederated from them.

To an outside observer, ‘.world’ users seem to be US propagandists intent on wrecking the platform. “Tankies this, cowbee that”, when I’ve never seen a cowbee post that wasn’t entirely reasonable.

Cowbee definitely seems in a sense like a very civil apologist (although with all the trappings of contemporary campism and tankiesm) - and not the worst example by any means, but for every Cowbee there’s a BrainInABox type user.

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- Pudutr0n@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Lol I like BrainInABox better, and I completely disagree with their worldview.
  
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  - Skavau@piefed.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    All they do, quite literally, is hurl abuse.
    
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    Pudutr0n@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Maybe I’m insensitive or just foolish but to me there’s comedy in that.
    
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Pudutr0n@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The reason why you haven’t seen these horrors is because to you they just look like others like you.

Regardless if you agree with this post, for example, it’s propaganda, no different than the american apologists you can accurately identify, the bible thumpling catholics educating the uncivilized people that hadn’t heard the healing words of our lord and saviour jesus christ or those who believe everything should be privatized/converted into a free market due to orthodox economic doctrine.

It is propaganda because it operates under the framework that someone who disagrees with a positive association must have not understood a specific sacred text or heard a sacred doctrine, or if they have they must be morally defficient, leaving no room for debate whatsoever.

One of the easiest ways to spot propaganda is the “no room for questioning, let alone disagreeing” aspect. In healthy societies with healthy ideologies there is a legitimate space for disagreement and debate. If there wasn’t, power would always remain in the same hands which is one of the aspects most criticize about both capitalism and communism.

And believe it or not, there is more to the world than the right-left west-east dychotomies.

If you look at history, similar ideologigal schisms have happened time and time again in times of shifts in the balance of power, such as when the printing press was invented and the the catholic - lutheran division that came from it. or during the decadence and later fall of the roman republic with the equestrials vs patricians (which originally shared ideological vision).

These largescale violent power struggles always end up boiling down to “you’re either with us or against us” which in my opinion is the true poison.

Feel free to disqualify or label me now and have a nice day.

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- Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Oh hey, it’s worth noting that that particular screengrab is taken out of context and was deliberately intended to make me appear that way. I even concede that one can disagree with Marx and Engels, my point was more against those who claim to agree with them but strongly disagree with the socialist market economy of China. I oppose anyone that tries to treat theory like gospel, that’s why I usually don’t reference theory directly unless it’s directly relevent like it was in this case.
  
  That’s the thing, people propagandize about us as well, like the MeanwhileOnGrad crowd that took that snippet out of context. You’re doing the same here, by extrapolating an entire behavior of me from a single, out-of-context snippet hosted in a Nazi bar. What’s important is that we actually pay attention to what others are saying, because everyone is guilty of thinking they are correct.
  
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  - Pudutr0n@lemmy.world ⁨59⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    Fair enough. Just grabbed one of the first images a search threw. Sorry if it was out of context or portrayed you unfairly. And of course people propagandize about you too. Anyone with a strong enough voice will get bad faith critiques thrown against them and many will be with political intent.
    
    I do think this is a fair example to exemplify the point I was trying to make, though. Your quote being out of context does not nullify its dychotomical political intent and makes my point stronger.
    
    Propaganda is hard to identify when you’re predisposed to believe it, it’s everywhere and people propagate it without even noticing.
    
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