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When I took a class to get my Concealed Carry Permit, on the very first day the instructor made a very interesting statement.

“If you are somewhere where you feel you need a gun to feel safe… Why are you there in the first place?”

While I did go on to get my permit I never once carried. I never went anywhere where I felt I needed it. If I became uncomfortable at a location, I left.

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Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I got mine so it would be easier to transport weapons to a range. I got the weapons in case trump starts a civil war or something.

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- BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  As well reciprocal states that recognize it so you can transport them with minimal issues as well. It’s one reason to get one regardless of being in a constitutional carry state.
  
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Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
As another carry permit holder, this is most certainly true. But there are a few places I will carry due to the remoteness and some of the wildlife that can eat you if they really want to. But mostly it remains at my bedside as an “in case” if it’s needed. If something were to go sideways, law enforcement is probably going to be at least 20 to 30 minutes away and possibly up to 90 minutes. I cannot rely on either one of the two deputies on duty at 2AM to be anywhere near me if things go bad. Things will be well and done long before I can expect help.

Another thing most of the rabid “Gotta have my pistol and 3 spare mags on me at all times” never think about is the cost of shooting someone even in self-defense. By the time it’s all said and done, it can cost upwards and beyond of $100,000+ in lawyer, expert testimony, and court fees. And you are likely to lose your job due to being jailed for at least large parts of it.

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- BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  But mostly it remains at my bedside as an “in case” if it’s needed. If something were to go sideways, law enforcement is probably going to be at least 20 to 30 minutes away and possibly up to 90 minutes. I cannot rely on either one of the two deputies on duty at 2AM to be anywhere near me if things go bad.
  
  If something goes ‘sideways’ at 2AM, you expect anyone breaking into your house to ring the doorbell and wait for you to wake up?
  
  Even if you carried at all times, and you were specifically trained (think special forces training, not I spend my weekends at the gun range training) then it’s still a toss-up if you will be able to respond fast enough. If they want to harm you, they will. You cannot be hyper-aware of your surroundings 24/7, you need to relax, you need to sleep.
  
  I can’t imagine what life must be like when you’re so afraid that you think you need to have a gun within reach at all times.
  
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  - Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I do not keep a gun on me at all times. Merely when hunting. I do have a first layer warning system called dogs. Hopefully the barking is all it takes to drive away a bad situation. But I WILL be awake before you can get out of your car.
    
    And it’s not about being afraid of my surroundings. It’s about understanding that public safety, (police, fire, ems, and even neighbors), is a long ways away and I cannot expect timely help from anyone. If I have a heart attack at home, I will die for sure because EMS will never get there in time. So I need to be at least somewhat prepared for situations you don’t even consider living in a city. Where help is a mere phone call and a few minutes away. Hell, I don’t even have cell service in my yard to even call or text with.
    
    So yes, you are at least somewhat correct. You can’t imagine.
    
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  - burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Most people don’t sleep next to doors to the outside. Most windows are always locked. The least common way of a burglary happening is someone picking a lock.
    
    You will be awake with a significant amount of seconds to grab a gun if someone breaks into your home.
    
    As to doing it 24/7? Jesus, did you even read the rest of the post? That was the whole point of what you were replying to. They specifically said they think it’s true that carrying it most of the time isn’t the point.
    
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    BorgDrone@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    The least common way of a burglary happening is someone picking a lock.
    
    You don’t need a gun to defend against a burglar. Burglars are generally cowards and run away when caught. The whole point of sneaking into your house is to not be detected and commit theft. (taking something without a person noticing it).
    
    What you might need protection from is robbery (taking things under thread of violence). A robber is not going to sneak into your house. They will either kick down your door while you sleep or simply ring the doorbell and wait for you to open. Do you bring your gun every time someone is at the door?
    
    They specifically said they think it’s true that carrying it most of the time isn’t the point.
    
    Then there is no point. They will just wait until you are not carrying to rob you.
    
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ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I did self-defense training, both learning and teaching for close to 15 years or so, I did the CCW thing, took classes in firearms as well as martial arts and the whole nine-yards for many years.

I will often reiterate what you cited there, that if you’re in a dangerous situation that you already expect to be dangerous, your first priority is changing your situation. Not going to that place, working towards moving, etc.

I eventually also stopped carrying my gun, because all it did was add extra stress to my life. Always making sure you know where it is, if you’re somewhere that legally prohibits you having it, then if you do have to leave it outside of a store or business, you are always thinking about it inside your car. My greatest worry was someone breaking into my vehicle and using the gun to commit a crime, which statistically is much, much more likely than actually being in a situation where you need to use it.

I still own guns but keep them locked up. But I don’t enjoy guns broadly because I’ve had too much time think about it. I’ve had to learn the law, I’ve had to take responsibility for teaching others how to defend themselves, I’ve spent too much time playing out situations and the post-event situations that most gun-chuds NEVER spend a moment thinking about.

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- wabasso@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Never really thought about the logistics of having to leave it in your car. Are you allowed to take the ammo in with you?
  
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  - ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    It depends a lot on your local laws. Not every state even makes the distinction, so to err on the side of caution, I always treated ammo the same as a gun, and never separated them.
    
    Some laws let you transport guns anywhere in your car if it’s in a locked box, some laws are written in a way where that could mean your glove compartment, other states have wording that excludes a glove compartment, just as an example of the ambiguity involved in gun laws.
    
    Also, your proximity to schools or other public services can override all the other laws. It was when I was drawing kilometer radiuses from local schools that I started to feel such stress from planning my trips outside that I decided to stop taking the damn thing out all the time, and eventually just stopped entirely.
    
    A good CCW class will give you the most basic stuff you need to know for your area, but it does change frequently so you would need to refresh on the laws frequently.
    
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  - BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    If it’s a state/federal building you can’t even bring the ammo and that’s still the least of concern. The person getting a firearm can get replacement magazines and ammunition for it easily. People concerned for the safety of others and not wanting it stolen will get small gun safe boxes that bolt into the car someway to stow it.
    
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- Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Interestingly, a lot of gun violence in the US comes down to neglected spaces. Without changing anything else, cleaning up vacant lots, demolishing abandoned buildings, adding street lights, and general neighborhood beautification cuts down on a LOT of gun violence. Violence intervention programs–teaching kids restraint, essentially–does a lot too.
  
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  - ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I know that building community is not only an answer to violence, but broadly speaking the answer to a lot of social problems. I am curious though if you’re referencing a source or study, if the neighborhood beautification projects lead to people becoming more involved in their communities, or if it’s communities already coming together to beautify their neighborhoods.
    
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myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
There might be someone dangerous in Publix!!!

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