Comment on Vietnam introduces tougher penalties on e-cigarette and heated tobacco use
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 6 days agoJust because we don’t know the long term stuff doesn’t mean there is harmful long term stuff.
Doesn’t mean there isn’t either.
That’s the thing about not knowing.
The evidence on the short and near term stuff does suggest it’s orders of msg tide safer than smoking though.
Which doesn’t mean harmless.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
Harmless means absence of harm. That we don’t know of any harms does indeed not mean there aren’t any harms to be eventually known.
Therefore, as far as we know it is harmless. Hence why I said so. That would be understandable to commenters ITT if they knew how to read.
And additionally, in my personal opinion - it makes plain sense that the longer we study vapes, yet find no harms, the probability increases that they are indeed harmless.
Or at the very least I believe they are no more harmful than the harms caused by our existing standards for e.g. air pollution, in that vaping causes no excess deaths, but may do so if we had cleaner air and lower base rates of lung disease to which vaping may be some contributing factor.
I’m not an expert nor do I think the above two paragraphs constitute a fact, and I’m more than happy to change my view given sufficient reason, however I also dont think things for no reason or purely because it serves me or brings me some sort of comfort of a lazy mind. Frankly I doubt I would stop using nicotine even if I knew vaping was directly harmful in some way no more than I would stop using alcohol already knowing that it is incredibly harmful (not that I drink alcohol but that’s besides the point).
My reasoning for this is that even with the extremely primitive understanding of both the scientific method and the human body (not to mention technology for the analysis of it), cause and effect around tobacco-caused illnesses was known since the 1700s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco
You can check the sources yourself, but for example:
Overview of the history: …wiley.com/…/j.1440-1843.2003.00483.x
Here’s from the 1800s: …utexas.edu/…/Nicotiana_tabacum-notes.html
Here’s a note of observations between the late 1800s to 1920s
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543