Comment on Vietnam introduces tougher penalties on e-cigarette and heated tobacco use
kungen@feddit.nu 3 weeks agovapes harmless
They’re much less harmful than cigarettes. But we don’t know long-term stuff, especially with all the different product blends that exist. But I agree, it should be legal to vape where it’s legal to smoke.
Just because we don’t know the long term stuff doesn’t mean there is harmful long term stuff.
Doesn’t mean there isn’t either.
That’s the thing about not knowing.
The evidence on the short and near term stuff does suggest it’s orders of msg tide safer than smoking though.
Which doesn’t mean harmless.
Harmless means absence of harm. That we don’t know of any harms does indeed not mean there aren’t any harms to be eventually known.
Therefore, as far as we know it is harmless. Hence why I said so. That would be understandable to commenters ITT if they knew how to read.
And additionally, in my personal opinion - it makes plain sense that the longer we study vapes, yet find no harms, the probability increases that they are indeed harmless.
Or at the very least I believe they are no more harmful than the harms caused by our existing standards for e.g. air pollution, in that vaping causes no excess deaths, but may do so if we had cleaner air and lower base rates of lung disease to which vaping may be some contributing factor.
I’m not an expert nor do I think the above two paragraphs constitute a fact, and I’m more than happy to change my view given sufficient reason, however I also dont think things for no reason or purely because it serves me or brings me some sort of comfort of a lazy mind. Frankly I doubt I would stop using nicotine even if I knew vaping was directly harmful in some way no more than I would stop using alcohol already knowing that it is incredibly harmful (not that I drink alcohol but that’s besides the point).
My reasoning for this is that even with the extremely primitive understanding of both the scientific method and the human body (not to mention technology for the analysis of it), cause and effect around tobacco-caused illnesses was known since the 1700s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco
You can check the sources yourself, but for example:
Overview of the history: …wiley.com/…/j.1440-1843.2003.00483.x
Here’s from the 1800s: …utexas.edu/…/Nicotiana_tabacum-notes.html
Here’s a note of observations between the late 1800s to 1920s
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Yeah your statement doesn’t contradict mine, as far as we know they are harmless. But we also know really well too, these things have been studied up and down since the 90s and still nothing was really found.
The *blends" thing idk about, the only ingredients out there that go into vape juice are VG, PG, nicotine and flavouring, there aren’t any legal variations on that, this is usually pretty well regulated in the first world.
athatet@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
“As far as we know they are harmless”
Doctors in old timey days giving people cocaine for their babies toothache.
Triumph@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
They didn't exist in the 90s.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
PG has been pumped through hospitals hvac since the 50s because of its antibacterial abilities. Basically they do it to help curb MSRA infections. We very well know what PG does to us, vaping isn’t much different.
Triumph@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Not since the 50s, in the 50s. And at a much lower concentration than what vaping is.
I've been vaping for about 15 years. Don't get me wrong, vaping is far safer than inhaling tobacco smoke or putting a wad of dip in your mouth. That doesn't make it safe, and I'm unaware of any real studies on the long-term effects of vaping. I am aware of some very badly performed lab studies that were clearly designed to produce results showing how awful it is by operating vape devices in ways that no person ever would or even could. Yes, PG has a mild antiseptic effect. Yes, the flavorings used are "generally regarded as safe" (GRAS) ... for eating.
What I know anecdotally from my own experience:
All that said, I'm still glad I switched from cigarettes.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago