There are some good iOS browsers, they’re just out of the way.
At the moment, I use Orion (from Kagi) and Narrow32. Quiche Browser is good, DuckDuckGo is fine.
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djvinniev77@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Really hate how iOS has zero alternatives. Thanks apple for your stupid WebKit.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
4am@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
At the moment, iOS doesn’t not allow any other browser engines. Every browser on iOS is just reskinned Safari.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s kind of a blessing in disguise; otherwise basically all web traffic would be Chrome.
Apparenty this is softening some: techspot.com/…/108965-japan-gives-apple-december-…
And Safari is quite performant on iOS.
Honestly, I know it sounds crazy, but I wouldn’t mind if that continues, just so there’s some chunk of traffic that isn’t Chrome and that web development doesn’t turn into a complete monoculture.
pirateKaiser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That traffic only skews the graph like a false positive. While WebKit itself is oss, apple’s tendency to just separate itself from the rest of the world makes it largely irrelevant. There are very few alternative browsers based on webkit for other platforms and the expected benefit of developers having to cater to apple’s choices are thus negligible for the rest of us.
nil@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
I bought an old Pixel 3a with (new) case for less than $179 USD and put Graphene OS on it. Definitely cheaper than buying youself a new iPhone, and installation is easy af.
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
Yep. I really really want Waterfox on IOS but I’ve settled for Qwant. It’s not bad.
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Yeah but the problem with iOS is that all browsers must use the Safari rendering engine under the hood (except in the EU, but not many developers create a browser for just the EU)
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Could be worse, seriously. Safari is not a bad browser and WebKit is the only engine since years that can keep up with chromium. I get that it is annoying to have leas freedom on iOS, but I also appreciate the increased security[1] and quality of life that comes with it.
[1] yes, I am aware that open source software tends to be more secure, as it can be reviewed by all. However, Android by default is way less secure than iOS, unless you use GraphiteOS or similar.
Ledivin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This hasn’t been true for a long, long time. Mac was only ever more secure than windows because not enough people used them to make them worthwhile attack vectors. Nowadays, iOS sees just as many vulnerabilities as every other popular OS.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Report after report finds iOS to be more secure than Android. Here’s just one example: rokform.com/…/which-is-more-secure-iphone-or-andr…
ADTJ@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t really call this a “report” when there aren’t any metrics in the reasoning other than price.
Even in their own article, it mentions how support and updates vary by manufacturer so it’s kind of meaningless to compare iPhone to the whole Android ecosystem. You’d need to choose one or more manufacturer in order to make an apples to apples comparison.
Zak@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Without taking a position on the claim itself, this is a bad citation. It makes a variety of claims that either don’t hold up to basic scrutiny, or aren’t evidence that iOS has a security advantage. Here are some examples:
This is perhaps one of the most thoroughly debunked pieces of FUD in the entire tech industry.
These are mostly true but largely irrelevant. You’re not buying an aggregate of all Android devices that exist, but a specific device with specific traits. The Android phone you should actually buy will have a security chip and many years of updates just like an iPhone.
This might be a benefit when the user has no clue how to use a computer, but I expect people posting in this community are past that stage. It’s a big disadvantage for those who want to use something like Firefox (real Firefox, not a skin on Safari) with potential security and privacy upsides.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m no Apple fanboy but Apple security is more than the OS. Since they also produce all of the hardware, it means they can do things at the hardware level and either make available or restrict things to the OS that Windows cannot do because Microsoft doesn’t control all the hardware makers.
I’m posting this in Asahi Linux on an M2 powered Macbook. Its been an interesting experience learning not only the benefits of this as a hardware platform, but also its limitations from the FOSS point of view.
Kevlar21@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Safari on iOS is especially tolerable since they allowed uBlock Origin Lite onto the App Store recently.
zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They whaaat? Finally!!
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Wipr 2 is so great though. Indie dev, perfect streamlined implementation.
mmmac@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
To be honest I don’t use Firefox on android anyways because it’s noticeably slower than chromium. Since I’m on graphene is I just stick to vanadium + DNS level adblocking.
Zak@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There is actually a current Chromium-based browser for Android with Manifest v2 extension support and uBlock Origin.
spoiler
It’s Microsoft Edge. No, I’m not advocating that you use it.