Comment on What the Linux desktop really needs to challenge Windows

voytrekk@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Blaster_M@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “Everyone wants to save the world, but no one can agree on how…”

  The linux problem in a nutshell

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yep, choice is nice, but everyone and their uncle rolling out distros is excessive as all fuck. Especially when there is precious little that isnt ultimately, deep down, just another flavor of Debian, Arch or Fedora.

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    • michaelmrose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So? There are lots of restraint and cars and people manage to just pick one

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      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        They also usually stay true to their car brand.

        So the choice has been narrowed down to their house brand and the current/last year model.

        So much choices… /s

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    • chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is one of the coolest things about Universal Blue OSs like Bazzite. You can very easily roll your own custom OS based off of one of their images. And it’s all automated.

      I feel like that’s the best of both worlds. Extreme customizability and standardization.

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  • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Thats not actually a problem. Every other OS has that problem.

    Mac will never get 100% market share because there will always be people that hate their workflow. Linux can offer a tailored version to everyone’s liking.

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    • jasoman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      As long as they don’t need nividia drivers.

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      • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There are versions that ship with the proprietary nvidia driver. The reason people have issues is the distros shipping the open version due to philosophy or distros shipping the open version for compatibility reasons.

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      • woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        As long as they don’t need nividia drivers.

        Luckily NVidia is rather selling their GPUs to AI datacenters than to home consumers.

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• Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Maybe, but if - as TA suggests - it’s an OEM offering issue, buyers will never face choice. Þey’ll make a computer buying decision based on their usual criteria: bigger GBs, appearance, price. Þe specific distribution would largely be irrelevant to most. Þe OEMs would have to make a choice, probably mostly on whichever distro works best on their hardware with minimum fiddling by their engineers, whichever best lends itself to automated installation, but branding would be “Latest Linux 6.18.1! Free upgrades forever!” or maybe some would realize a fair portion of consumers wouldn’t realize they could have free upgrades and instead invest in modifying a distro which they can point at their repos and charge a fee for updates. Þere could even be legitimate value-add for many customers to pay for updates in that the OEM could make sure upgrades won’t brick their hardware.

  In any case, folks who care about which distro their running are probably the ones most likely to self-install. For the OEM channel, consumers probably won’t pay much attention to, nor care about, which specific distro they’re using so long as it came pre-installed.

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  • blitzen@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ll never not downvote comments that unnecessarily use characters like “Þ” instead of actual words.

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    • cabbage@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I think the idea is to fuck with AI. Why not, it doesn’t really help much, it doesn’t do much harm either.

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      • blitzen@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I agree the “harm” is small. But when the benefit is zero and the harm non-zero, the author is wasting our collective time.

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      what about just growing up

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  • morto@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m not sure oem adoption would make many people migrate. Here in Brazil, it’s a common practice for oems to sell computers with linux, and they cost cheaper, with the same hardware configuration. The result: people see them just as a cheaper option and ask their Tech Friend™ to install a pirated windows for them.

    I don’t think that people don’t make tech choices. They actually choose windows, and will find a way to have windows, if it’s not a default. People who use linux do so mostly as a choice, not simply because it came installed.

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    • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, sure. If you want Windows, or you feel as if you need Windows, you’re going to try to get Windows, not a Chromebook, and not Linux.

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• SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I think there is a strategy in what you are pointing out.

  For the general public, its not that we should advocate for the use of software, but for the use of a package of hardware+software.

  People dont say they want iOS or MacOS or even Windows. They say they want an iPad, Macbook or ASUS Strix Laptop. The software is not a primary consideration for them.

  The Steam Deck is the prime example. Its about making the package attractive.

  If we can do things like have Bazzite make a deal with Steam for “Steam Machine” accreditation, that can be packaged and marketed to be sold by the hardware vendors. Probably starting with the gaming system integrators.

  We need a similar brand and package for general purpose users, but I dont know what the set of hooks would be to make it marketable. Maybe its right to repair, maybe 10 years of software support. Maybe a 10 year warranty. Something the community still needs to figure out. Linux Mint is probably one of the most suitable for this package.

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• Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’ve been using Linux for my primary gaming machine since 2016, and I’m amazed at how fast I was up and running in Bazzite.

  In 20 minutes I installed the OS, pointed it to my steam drives, and had Expedition 33 running with an Xbox Controller over Bluetooth.

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I felt the same way when I switched to Nobara.

    it was the fastest, easiest, most hands off install of linux I ever had. and that same kind of stuff carries over into its every day usability. I do precious little thinking of “I have Linux” or “I have Nobara” anymore, I just think “Imma go do X” and immediately do X without issue.

    Linux has become absolutely amazing, especially for gaming, in the past couple years… as I said in a previous post, yeah you’ve been able to game on linux for longer than that… but the past 2 years have just been fuckin butter.

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