Comment on Countries Eye Weight Tax To Counter Public Safety Threat Of Extremely Heavy, Large EVs

paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Something important to consider with regards to road damage, also why we should be shipping most things by train, as trucks are absolutely annihilating the roads:

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, and it comes up a lot when people say EVs aren’t paying their fair share and should have increased registration costs. The biggest hit on road maintenance is big trucks, and it’s not even close. We are all subsidizing this industry.

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    • HerrBeter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Diesel cars are 50kg heavier than EVs in general (maybe I can find the study again) and they’ve increased the most since 2012 in weight gained

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      • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Plus they always give as an example, that e-hummer that weighs 9,000 lbs. that just shouldn’t exist. Meanwhile most EVs are 1/3 that weight

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yep. No one wants ro talk about a real weight tax, because if they charged trucks their proportional share, shipping costs would go through the roof.

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    • SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But what if we moved them onto a separate road, made of metal?

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      • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thay would be crazy, they would all be running at different intervals. You would need some system to link all the cars together, with a singular engine. An Onomotive or something like that, we can figure out the name later.

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  • Capricorn_Geriatric@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • Ajen@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A bicycle can’t move without someone sitting on it pedaling, so I think it’s fair to include the weight of the rider.

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• huginn@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They should also raise the gas tax so it’s cheaper to own an EV.

  Make evs expensive, sure, but make gas more expensive.

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  • mwguy@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can we instead remove oil subsidies?

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    • huginn@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Same thing in the end.

      … but why not both?

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      • mwguy@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Because it’s easier to sell ending oil subsidies rather than raising gas taxes. Ending corporate subsidies has broad support among Americans.

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• geosoco@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That's definitely true. It's also a concern for a lot of infrastructure like parking garages and bridges.

  I suspect it's left out because the site focuses on tech, but I've seen a few articles looking at that this year. I think some states already do licenses based on weight, though arguably it's not enough.

  Apparently, there's some loopholes that manufacturer's are using to justify increasing weights (eg. this ), and a similar taxbreak from some recent legislation for cars over 6k lbs.

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• Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You bring the tax in for EVs first, and conservatives will either not care or even cheer for it. A new tax on woke cars!

  Then after the next election you quietly extend it to all vehicles.

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A bunch of those conservative states use large pickups as grocery-getters. If the weight tax hits them you’d better believe the whine will start quickly.

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    • Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But not large electric pickups

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      • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Heck no. Screeching turbos and foghorn exhaust tips. Gotta make sure you everyone turns to look at your 36” lift and giant knobby tires.

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• thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I mean, there basically is, but it’s usually just factored it into something like gas taxes instead of having a specific line item for it. Since EVs don’t pay that tax, there needs to be a separate one somewhere.

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  • paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In that US? Gasoline taxes don’t even cover the cost of cleaning up emissions, let alone paving the roads. It’s subsidized by other tax revenue.

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• dublet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The Dutch have had weight based roax tax for a long while: link in Dutch It just does not apply to EVs.

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