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Their user base is almost exclusively tech savvy people, the same people who are most opposed to AI.

I think this move signals that they believe we have nowhere else to go, and they’re daring us to go fuck ourselves, because fuck you, what are you going to do, use Chrome?

Yes, yes I will.

In general, I prefer the look and feel of chromium-based browsers, but I use Firefox and Firefox forks for the reasons that I’m sure everyone here is aware of.

If those reasons go away, I’ll just switch to Vivaldi as my primary browser. I won’t be happy about it, but if Firefox becomes another AI slop project. I might as well go with the browser who’s looking to feel I prefer.

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Supervisor194@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Yes, yes I will, well Chromium forks.

Yeah, I’m not going to switch to a Manifest V3 browser because Firefox puts in access to an optional AI agent. If Firefox makes it so you can’t turn it off, which I wouldn’t think is likely, I might switch to something like Librewolf, but Chromium? No.

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FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Why do you say that tech savvy people are "most opposed to AI?" Don't conflate "the membership of this small social media bubble called 'technology'" with tech-savvy people in general. Lots of tech savvy people are developing and using AI, where else do you think it's coming from?

The problem here is that we've got a small crowd with a strong opinion, constantly shouting their opinion to each other and making an unfriendly environment to anyone who doesn't share that opinion. So of course it seems like "everyone" shares that opinion, you never see otherwise.

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- FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Most people in tech that I know hate AI, including devs. I know one manager who is gung ho for it but everyone is annoyed by him and he was already well known for going apeshit over whatever the latest tech buzzword is before the whole AI craze kicked off.
  
  Anecdotal I suppose, but IMO, most people who are actually technical seem to treat AI with a good degree of skepticism if not outright disdain.
  
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  - FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Most people in tech that I know hate AI
    
    Emphasis added. We all live inside social bubbles, if one wants to talk about what most people in general believe then one must use data from beyond that. Otherwise you're going to get a very biased sample, since we generally choose to associate with people who share our own personal values.
    
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    Jhex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    I don’t disagree with using unbiased data, but where is yours?
    
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    onehundredsixtynine@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    FYI: this person is a self-labeled defender of LLM “art”.
    
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  - chunes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    proving their point
    
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- chloroken@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  AI “engineer” shill says what?
  
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- yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Here in Lemmy, in my experience, this goes nowhere. You put it very clearly on your second paragraph. The small crowd with a strong opinion that thinks all AI is terrible in Lemmy is a bigger or at least more active group than the opposite. And with no ability to consider opposite points of view.
  
  As a developer, most others I know of actually like the ai technology and use it as a way to analyze big amount of data quickly or as a starting point, while at the same time basically all hate the corporate AI side of things, specially idiotic managers and ceo-like asshats that keep pushing AI for all the wrong reasons and in all the wrong ways.
  
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  - FaceDeer@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Fortunately the one saving grace of the Fediverse is that you can see both the upvote and downvote totals for a comment, not just the net difference between them. So even though it's clear what the majority view is - "AI bad, everyone hates it, and you're bad for suggesting it could possibly be otherwise!" - I can still see that there are a minority who appreciate my perspective as well. So I continue rolling that boulder up the hill, for the benefit of those who might otherwise only see the "nobody wants AI!" messaging and think it might be true.
    
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    AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Yeah, lemmy is really a hell of an echo chamber on certain topics. I see both pros and cons to AI, and that balanced view makes me literally the most anti-AI person in my social circle.
    
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Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I would use a Firefox fork over Vivaldi simfly because of extensions (including uBO)

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Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Vivaldi is like the only tech company in the world that has come out and stated definitively “we will not use AI”.

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VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Just like everything in North America it’s about aquisition not retention.

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DrDystopia@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I did exactly this a while back. And as a self protection mechanism I’ve just completely written off Mozilla products as free falling in the enshittification process. I don’t care enough to be disappointed any more, it’s much nicer this way.

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darkkite@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

the same people who are most opposed to AI.

programmers almost exclusively use LLM

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- supernight52@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Only ever dealt with dog-shit programmers, huh?
  
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  - darkkite@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    an elitist response.
    
    here’s actual data survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/ai
    
    half use AI tools daily
    
    Professionals show a higher overall favorable sentiment (61%) than those learning to code (53%).
    
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    ThisSeriesIsFalse@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Not elitist to say that people who use what are essentially weighted random word generators for programming, a career that requires one to know exactly how their code works in case it breaks, are bad at their jobs. Just like how it’s not elitist to say that generated images are not art, and that flying a plane into a building doesn’t make you a good pilot.
    
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Digit@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Librewolf, or Ladybird, or dillo, or links2 or lynx, or heck, even brave!

Luakit’s still a thing. Or vimb. Or qutebrowser. I miss uzbl. Uzbl was the best.

No need to use proprietary wrapped Vivaldi.

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