Comment on It's been a while, which Lemmy instances should I be on?

• dickalan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I appreciate you for taking the time to explain this to me, mostly sounds like a term people used to other other people

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  • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pretty much it’s a thought-terminating othering. To label someone a tankie is to give license for prejudicially dismissing or ignoring what they say.

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    • dickalan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I agree 100%, also it reminded me of This Clanker

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      • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        😂

        I guess that’s what inspired this The Deprogram episode title: 📺 Anti Klankkker Action

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s more of a term to point out that someone is the left equivalent of a Neo Nazi.

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    • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      There is no left equivalent, and horseshoe theory is horseshit.

      • ‘Horseshoe theory’ is nonsense – the far right and far left have little in common
      • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Academic_s…
      • Funny thing about Hannah Arendt’s construction of “totalitarianism”: She came from a bourgeois family and so was unsurprisingly anti-communist. She was also quite racist, and her work was funded & promoted by the CIA.
        Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia: From Anticommunism and Identity Politics to Democratic Illusions and Fascism

        One of the centerpieces of the cultural cold war was the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF), which was revealed in 1966 to be a CIA front. Hugh Wilford, who has researched the topic extensively, described the CCF as nothing short of one of the largest patrons of art and culture in the history of the world. Established in 1950, it promoted on the international scene the work of collaborationist academics such as Raymond Aron and Hannah Arendt over and against their Marxian rivals, including the likes of Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir.

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      • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        For the non-tankies

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism

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      • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Here’s a thread with geneva_convenience suggesting that “blood and soil” really isn’t that bad.

        Remember, if you argue this hard for .ml — you don’t deserve rights.

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• davel@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Tankies are people who supported the use of tanks to attack the civilian protests against the USSR in Hungary and later Czechoslovakia.

  • JFK Files Reveal CIA Role in the 1956 Hungarian Uprising The tankies were right
  • The 1968 Prague Spring — Counterrevolution as the “Trojan Horse” of Imperialism
  • The blueprint of regime change operations - How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent

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  • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No one buys your tankie gibberish!

    I said it before (in this thread) and I will say it again:

    ML are basically on par with Nazis; full endorsement of extermination of national identity/language/culture of “bad” ethnicities, support for russian Lebensraum, support for mass internment camps for “bad” ethnicities.

    Dessalines, an American, has never lived in Ukraine or russia, doesn’t speak Ukrainian or russian and yet he comes up with bullshit like “putin just wants to show he means business” or “war is war, civilian casualties are fine [as long as it’s Ukrainians]”.

    Thank you for proving my point!

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    • Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      ML are basically on par with Nazis;

      you sound like you have an axe to grind. if you’re going to call people nazis for not supporting ukraine I’m going to point out that there’s plenty of Nazis yhat do support ukraine. I include in that list the instance run by a transphobe (sh.itjust.works) where they have a comm run by a bunch of “social democrats” and freely discuss all the ‘degenerate roaches’, which they can’t wait to be free from.

      I don’t support ukraine, I don’t support russia, I oppose the war entirely and want people (yes even you) to no longer get sent to the front to die in an inter-capitalist conflict.

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      • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I don’t support Ukraine

        Thank you for proving my point about tankies supporting extermination of Ukrainian culture/identity/language and continued internment of tens of thousands of Ukrainians in the occupied territories (and mass discrimination and prosecution).

        You even openly admit that you support putin’s “de-nazifiction of Ukraine” rhetoric.

        You most definitely do not “oppose the war entirely”. Rejection of self determination for Ukrainians (and the right to speak in Ukrainian) is support for the russian invasion of Ukraine.

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      • Jax@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Here’s a post where geneva_convenience unironically suggests that “blood and soil” is actually good policy.

        Stop talking, go get Cowbee — you’re out of your depth.

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    • davel@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You never had any friends from Hungary or Czesh Republic, you’ve never been there.

      I have been to the Czechia, actually. I spent a week in Prague in the early 2000s.

      The USSR was total trash. Abject poverty, […]

      • www.cia.gov/…/CIA-RDP85M00363R000601440024-5.pdf
        American and Soviet citizens eat about the same amount of food each day but the Soviet diet may be more nutritious.
      • economist.com/…/russia-will-raise-pension-ages-th…
        When the Soviet Union started paying pensions in the early years of Josef Stalin’s rule, the retirement age was set at 60 for men and 55 for women. It has not been raised since.

       

      […] genocidal extermination of the cultrue and language of occupied nations

      If the USSR exterminated the cultures and languages of “occupied” nations, then why are those cultures still speaking Armenian, Azerbaijani, Belarusian, Estonian, Georgian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Latvian, Lithuanian, Moldavian, Tajik, Turkmen, Ukrainian, and Uzbek?

      You’ve likely never met anyone who lived in the USSR.

      I have known some, and I know a few right here on Lemmy.

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      • Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Congrats! You went on an American eurotrip in your youth. And you know a few people who were born in the USSR on Lemmy (does that include me)?

        If you know so much about the USSR, can you tell me which professions were (outside of being a party goons) considerable profitable and why? Wikipedia answer aren’t going to cut it. Something that shows basic knowledge on this issue without web searching. Indulge me, lil commie bro!

        Yes, meat was widely available in the USSR and common access was not limited to well-connected individuals and party goons! What a great life!

        The Holodomor never happened and it was CIA psyop! The CIA made a time machine to travel back in time and discredit comrade Stalin! I see. My great grandmother was a time travelling CIA agent working to discredit communism!

        Local language education was definitely not suppressed and cultural group of occupied nations weren’t prosecuted! You could make movies in your language and vote to have education be primarily in your own language, right? You could even vote leave the USSR since it wasn’t occupation!

        The real irony is that even the russians don’t believe in your cointelpro and counter-revolutionary gibberish (wrt Czechia and Hungary). They are lucid enough to understand that it was matter of imperialism and ethno-national supremacism.

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  • bobzer@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t call fascists or CIA- & bourgeois-backed counterrevolutionaries “civilians.”

    Fucking hilarious that you whine about the term tankie sounding “othering” to you and then shamelessly trot this line out.

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• kariboka@mastodon.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  @Deceptichum @dickalan so the fucking UN is tankie? Lol

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