Comment on The crusade against Lemmy devs, lemmy.ml, and so-called "tankies"

• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s a long way of agreeing they are the good guys, with room for exceptions whenever it gets too hard to defend.

  Lmao! “You just blindly defend anyone who’s against the West, except for the people who you don’t defend.”

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• Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  How do you feel about the fact non-Westerners hate each other at least as much as they hate the West? Your community is full of Westerners, because those of us who actually have family outside know better then to make it more than just another faction.

  That’s very debatable, but I recognize that there are many divisions around the world at every level. Breaking up the Western hegemony would still be an improvement, because at least it wouldn’t be one small group dominating the entire rest of the world. It would be much easier to either fight with or come to a mutually-beneficial or at least neutral understanding with a neighbor of the same size than to try to fight against one group that spends more on their war machine than most others combined, has military bases in the majority of the world, again more than all others combined, and has intent to dominate the rest of the world. In other words, it would be monkey vs. monkey rather than monkey vs. 800-pound gorilla intent on subjugating monkeys.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you have the chance, travel. You’ll notice a distinct lack of Westerners standing around and cracking the whip. If anything, they’re building wells and handing out vaccines.

    It’s arguably the strongest faction, although China’s also up there. But, there’s still plenty of sovereignty to go around.

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    • Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh, I’ve traveled plenty and lived in more than one country. You seriously believe that there are more Westerners building wells and handing out vaccines around the world than there are trying to control other countries militarily and economically in order to extract as much wealth from them as they can? If you do believe that, I’m not sure that we will get anywhere with our discussion.

      China’s barely getting started. Although they are very strong economically, they pale in comparison in terms of projecting military force or trying to control and manipulate other countries. I just heard a couple days ago that just the US has over 700 military installations across over 80 countries, while China has like 2 or 3. Also, the US has been involved in overthrowing dozens and dozens of governments around the world since World War II, many of them democratically elected.

      When China becomes the 800-pound gorilla and shows the intent to subjugate the entire world, I will be glad to argue against them instead. I’m not inherently for China or Russia or anyone else blindly. I at least try to judge countries just like I judge people, based on their actions and nothing else.

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Oh, I’ve traveled plenty and lived in more than one country. You seriously believe that there are more Westerners building wells and handing out vaccines around the world than there are trying to control other countries militarily and economically in order to extract as much wealth from them as they can? If you do believe that, I’m not sure that we will get anywhere with our discussion.

        More in terms of what? TBF I’m from a relief work background, but it seems to me most Western institution don’t care enough to send people at all.

        Also, the US has been involved in overthrowing dozens and dozens of governments around the world since World War II, many of them democratically elected.

        That includes the period where black people literally couldn’t vote. Don’t you think the West has changed?

        To pick an example on this side of the Cold War, obviously the US and a few select friends fucked up Iraq for no reason, but then again lots of people fucked up each other within the non-Western world. Russia is doing a whole lot of that right now.

        The West at least cares about human rights and democracy in the abstract. And, at this moment in history, anyone else that does is probably friendly with the West. Isn’t that worth something, if our actions are, at worst, just as bad?

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