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You believe that all the anti-West countries are secretly the good guys, and are working together.

That’s not at all what I believe. What I believe instead is that any entity that counters the Western capitalist hegemony deserves support unless it is proven to be doing the wrong things and/or for the wrong reasons. Consensus sometimes is not the truth. I happen to believe that Western capitalist hegemony is one of the worst things to happen to the world in the last few hundreds of years. That goes against the Western consensus, but it is the truth in my view and in the view of many others around the world, especially in the Global South.

If you consider the entire world, the ideas in the West (that the West is right and good) are the minority opinion. It’s only Westerners who believe those things. If you consider recent and current events, this is evidenced by the fact only the West supported Israel and Ukraine from the start and mostly continues to do so, while most of the rest of the world stayed either neutral (mostly regarding Ukraine) or came out against one side (mostly regarding Israel).

Sure, I recognize that every country and every culture has flaws and bad people, but the West is the principal part of the world which has weaponized their flaws, bad ideas, and bad people against the entire planet. There may be other outlier examples, but the West has outdone them all, by far.

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CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
That’s a long way of agreeing they are the good guys, with room for exceptions whenever it gets too hard to defend.

How do you feel about the fact non-Westerners hate each other at least as much as they hate the West? Your community is full of Westerners, because those of us who actually have family outside know better then to make it more than just another faction.

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- Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  That’s a long way of agreeing they are the good guys, with room for exceptions whenever it gets too hard to defend.
  
  Lmao! “You just blindly defend anyone who’s against the West, except for the people who you don’t defend.”
  
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- Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  How do you feel about the fact non-Westerners hate each other at least as much as they hate the West? Your community is full of Westerners, because those of us who actually have family outside know better then to make it more than just another faction.
  
  That’s very debatable, but I recognize that there are many divisions around the world at every level. Breaking up the Western hegemony would still be an improvement, because at least it wouldn’t be one small group dominating the entire rest of the world. It would be much easier to either fight with or come to a mutually-beneficial or at least neutral understanding with a neighbor of the same size than to try to fight against one group that spends more on their war machine than most others combined, has military bases in the majority of the world, again more than all others combined, and has intent to dominate the rest of the world. In other words, it would be monkey vs. monkey rather than monkey vs. 800-pound gorilla intent on subjugating monkeys.
  
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  - CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    If you have the chance, travel. You’ll notice a distinct lack of Westerners standing around and cracking the whip. If anything, they’re building wells and handing out vaccines.
    
    It’s arguably the strongest faction, although China’s also up there. But, there’s still plenty of sovereignty to go around.
    
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    Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Oh, I’ve traveled plenty and lived in more than one country. You seriously believe that there are more Westerners building wells and handing out vaccines around the world than there are trying to control other countries militarily and economically in order to extract as much wealth from them as they can? If you do believe that, I’m not sure that we will get anywhere with our discussion.
    
    China’s barely getting started. Although they are very strong economically, they pale in comparison in terms of projecting military force or trying to control and manipulate other countries. I just heard a couple days ago that just the US has over 700 military installations across over 80 countries, while China has like 2 or 3. Also, the US has been involved in overthrowing dozens and dozens of governments around the world since World War II, many of them democratically elected.
    
    When China becomes the 800-pound gorilla and shows the intent to subjugate the entire world, I will be glad to argue against them instead. I’m not inherently for China or Russia or anyone else blindly. I at least try to judge countries just like I judge people, based on their actions and nothing else.
    
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