Comment on The crusade against Lemmy devs, lemmy.ml, and so-called "tankies"

• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You believe that all the anti-West countries are secretly the good guys, and are working together

  Very imaginative and creative.

  Which is to say, you’re lying and making shit up.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Everyone who’s not in the club reading is going “yeah, of course”. You can deny it if you like, not OP.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And everyone in my hometown agrees I’m going to Hell, who gives a shit.

      Just because you have an in-group that believes your lies doesn’t make you less of a liar. It just means your lies have more spread, liar.

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And see, that’s the real point of the community. You can be one of the very few Ascended Ones that knows the real truth they don’t want you to know.

        I suspect OP won’t last long, because they seem to actually care.

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    • Diva@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You believe that all the anti-West countries are secretly the good guys, and are working together

      This is demonstrably untrue, the OP pointed this out in point 5 above: the admin’s post was saying that supporting Russia/Israel amounted to having a social darwinist view of the world

      Hexbear also routinely shits on russia for being a capitalist reactionary hellscape.

      I’m subbed to most if not all of their comms and I will routinely come across things like this it’s pretty clearly shitting on the CPRF for going along with SMO.

      The kind-vladimir-ilyich emoji is imparting ‘lenin would have shot everyone in this room’, I have to imagine that includes Putin. One of their news mods is said ‘If you’re a communist party and Putin is praising you, you’re not a communist party.’

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        But Deng is a cool anti-imperialist - to the point where saying billionaires aren’t very communist gets you instabanned. And also somehow Modi, despite the fact the two were recently sending people to bash each other with sticks over territory.

        I remember back in the day there was dispute over if Assad is cool, if Assad or the actually-socialist Kurds were cooler, and if Daesh is cool too. Interesting to hear Hexbear has a carveout for Russia. .ml, at least definitely posts TASS all the time.

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• Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You believe that all the anti-West countries are secretly the good guys, and are working together.

  That’s not at all what I believe. What I believe instead is that any entity that counters the Western capitalist hegemony deserves support unless it is proven to be doing the wrong things and/or for the wrong reasons. Consensus sometimes is not the truth. I happen to believe that Western capitalist hegemony is one of the worst things to happen to the world in the last few hundreds of years. That goes against the Western consensus, but it is the truth in my view and in the view of many others around the world, especially in the Global South.

  If you consider the entire world, the ideas in the West (that the West is right and good) are the minority opinion. It’s only Westerners who believe those things. If you consider recent and current events, this is evidenced by the fact only the West supported Israel and Ukraine from the start and mostly continues to do so, while most of the rest of the world stayed either neutral (mostly regarding Ukraine) or came out against one side (mostly regarding Israel).

  Sure, I recognize that every country and every culture has flaws and bad people, but the West is the principal part of the world which has weaponized their flaws, bad ideas, and bad people against the entire planet. There may be other outlier examples, but the West has outdone them all, by far.

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  • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s a long way of agreeing they are the good guys, with room for exceptions whenever it gets too hard to defend.

    How do you feel about the fact non-Westerners hate each other at least as much as they hate the West? Your community is full of Westerners, because those of us who actually have family outside know better then to make it more than just another faction.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s a long way of agreeing they are the good guys, with room for exceptions whenever it gets too hard to defend.

      Lmao! “You just blindly defend anyone who’s against the West, except for the people who you don’t defend.”

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    • Cricket@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How do you feel about the fact non-Westerners hate each other at least as much as they hate the West? Your community is full of Westerners, because those of us who actually have family outside know better then to make it more than just another faction.

      That’s very debatable, but I recognize that there are many divisions around the world at every level. Breaking up the Western hegemony would still be an improvement, because at least it wouldn’t be one small group dominating the entire rest of the world. It would be much easier to either fight with or come to a mutually-beneficial or at least neutral understanding with a neighbor of the same size than to try to fight against one group that spends more on their war machine than most others combined, has military bases in the majority of the world, again more than all others combined, and has intent to dominate the rest of the world. In other words, it would be monkey vs. monkey rather than monkey vs. 800-pound gorilla intent on subjugating monkeys.

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      • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If you have the chance, travel. You’ll notice a distinct lack of Westerners standing around and cracking the whip. If anything, they’re building wells and handing out vaccines.

        It’s arguably the strongest faction, although China’s also up there. But, there’s still plenty of sovereignty to go around.

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